*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[BananaStand]

Ya, i don't care what colour the victim and shooter were, or who their lawyers are, or whether Fox News says their lawyers cheat on their wives. I just care that it's a retarded law. Next.

So it's just legislation through litigation for you then?

Ok comrade.

[BananaStand]

again...that's 50 to 1.

Any wager you wanna make.

[OngBonga]

Sometimes I park
In handicapped spaces
While handicapped people
Make handicapped faces

[OngBonga]

You guys should read back through this debate about SYG. This is what is happening across America... people with opinions ramming them down other peoples' throats as though they are some kind of moral authority.

This is EXACTLY what they want.

Who's they? The same people that tell black people they are oppressed. The same people who tell white people they are oppressed. The same people who tell women they are oppressed. The same people who tell men they are oppressed.

You're playing their game.

[OngBonga]

I have an opinion too about that shooting. I watched the video. Both of these men are pieces of shit.

By the way... anyone who says "starting arguments with women" like that's worse than arguing with a man, you don't get to play the equality card ever again.

[Poopadoop]

I have an opinion too about that shooting. I watched the video. Both of these men are pieces of shit.

By the way... anyone who says "starting arguments with women" like that's worse than arguing with a man, you don't get to play the equality card ever again.

Obviously it takes a pussy to pick a fight with someone half his size (usually a woman, but could be a kid too). What's that got to do with equality?

[Poopadoop]

You guys should read back through this debate about SYG. This is what is happening across America... people with opinions ramming them down other peoples' throats as though they are some kind of moral authority.

This is EXACTLY what they want.

Who's they? The same people that tell black people they are oppressed. The same people who tell white people they are oppressed. The same people who tell women they are oppressed. The same people who tell men they are oppressed.

You're playing their game.

I never said anything about oppression, or colour for that matter. I said it's an idiotic law because it gives people an excuse to escalate any confrontation into the use of deadly force.

[OngBonga]

Obviously it takes a pussy to pick a fight with someone half his size (usually a woman, but could be a kid too). What's that got to do with equality?

I guess the same kind who goes around picking fights with women over parking spaces.

That's twice now you've accused this guy of "picking a fight" with the woman.

There's a world of difference between "having an argument" and "picking a fight". I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this guy was "picking a fight" with a woman... rather, he was "having an argument". If we're simply discussing the subject matter in hand (in this case parking in retard spaces), and assuming there is no intimdation or threatening behaviour, then it makes absolutely no difference whether it's a man or woman. None.

What's it got to do with equality? You're using the fact she's a woman as ammo against him. Forgive me, I assumed you were in favour of gender equality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I never said anything about oppression, or colour for that matter. I said it's an idiotic law because it gives people an excuse to escalate any confrontation into the use of deadly force.

I'm torn on the matter, to be honest. On the one hand, I do think that in an armed country, people should have the right to defend themselves against threats to life. And banana is right that this guy has a split second to determine if his life is at risk. That said, this dude does appear to take it a little too far, like why doesn't he shout "get the fuck down, on the floor", some shit like that? It's a reckless reaction, probably influenced by anger rather than fear for life. But I have absolutely no idea what goes on in peoples' heads in that split second they have to make a judgement, so other than to say he's a piece of shit, I can't really say if I think he should be jailed for this. He was pushed over forcefully, fear is a natural emotion to feel in the seconds that follow. How would I react? Fuck knows.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Sometimes I park
In handicapped spaces
While handicapped people
Make handicapped faces

Wow. That takes me back.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I have an opinion too about that shooting. I watched the video. Both of these men are pieces of shit.

Yes, I agree. One of them died for being a typically testosterone-filled male whom saw his family being verbally ... idk ... assaulted? abused? ... it's not really important. His behavior was over the top in that his first approach was to escalate the verbal confrontation to a physical one.
I think we can all appreciate a father's instinct to protect his family.

He could have probably told the guy to STFU and leave his family alone and then driven away. We don't know if that would have worked, but it doesn't seem the guy even tried. The body-language of that video suggests that his first action was to run over and push the guy.

That's not death-sentence worthy activity, though.

[OngBonga]

That's not death-sentence worthy activity, though.

Of course not, but if you live in a country where people are armed and permitted to defend themselves, going around shoving people over is probably ill advised. Pissing over a bridge isn't death sentence worthy, but maybe you piss on electric wires. So... don't piss over bridges.

[BananaStand]

@MMM Sometimes I don't get you. There are clear instances in post #1585 where it looks like you "get it". But then you completely blow it with stuff like:

I think we can all appreciate a father's instinct to protect his family

No. This sentiment needs to be dropped from the discussion. There's no evidence that shows that his family needed protection. Were they being threatened? Were they in danger? What facts are known that could have reasonably led a person to react instinctively?

Yes I can appreciate a father's protection instincts. But I can also appreciate the obligation to be a non-psycho and differentiate between a a threat to your family's safety, and a person saying "you can't park here"

Strawman time! Let's say a Vietnam veteran has a flashback and shoots a north vietnamese immigrant in the street. Are you gonna say "I think we can all appreciate a soldier's instinct to protect his country"

That's not death-sentence worthy activity, though.

You need to stop saying shit like this too. "sentence" makes it sound like the shooter made a calculated decision about justice. You're implying that he shot this man as a retaliation for an offense, or as punishment for one.

The man was physically aggressive. He was NOT backing away (before the gun was pulled). I'll bet my house that whatever was spilling out of his mouth was not pleasant. He was acting like a deranged gorilla invoking family-protection instincts. You're on the ground. He's still coming at you. You don't know if he's armed. And you don't know if he's going to stop assaulting you. This is not the time to be weighing a judicial philosophy of whether or not a bullet is a commensurate response to a punch. You're under attack. Respond.

[BananaStand]

Alright alright alright...

I guess this guy actually is a racist psycho. Fry him.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/fl...nts/index.html

[Poopadoop]

He was acting like a deranged gorilla

Good job not being a racist there.

[BananaStand]

Good job not being a racist there.

Gorilla seems like an apt analogy for a person indiscriminately flailing brute strength. If I had taken a second to think about it, I would have realized how not-PC it is to liken black people to gorillas. I didn't do that, because I don't think I should have to. I shouldn't have to narrow my vocabulary, or be forced to discriminate among my vocabulary, just to accommodate racial sensitivity.

I had totally forgotten that the guy was black when I made that post. So I'm not sorry. The guy acted like crazed simian and I feel comfortable describing his behavior as such.

[Poopadoop]

That's twice now you've accused this guy of "picking a fight" with the woman.

There's a world of difference between "having an argument" and "picking a fight". I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this guy was "picking a fight" with a woman... rather, he was "having an argument". If we're simply discussing the subject matter in hand (in this case parking in retard spaces), and assuming there is no intimdation or threatening behaviour, then it makes absolutely no difference whether it's a man or woman. None.

What's it got to do with equality? You're using the fact she's a woman as ammo against him. Forgive me, I assumed you were in favour of gender equality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Give it up.

On the one hand, I do think that in an armed country, people should have the right to defend themselves against threats to life. And banana is right that this guy has a split second to determine if his life is at risk.

No reasonable person thinks being shoved to the ground necessitates a threat to your life. If the guy was gonna kill you he wouldnt stop after he shoved you and just stand there. He'd be on top of you banging your head off the ground.

Either that or he'd just pull his own gun and shoot you in cold blood in the first place.

That said, this dude does appear to take it a little too far, like why doesn't he shout "get the fuck down, on the floor", some shit like that?

You obviously missed banana's expert analysis whereby you're not a proper CCW owner if you treat pulling your gun, aiming it, and shooting to kill someone as three separate decisions. Once you decide to pull your gun you have to kill them, that's the rule.

[Poopadoop]

Gorilla seems like an apt analogy for a person indiscriminately flailing brute strength. If I had taken a second to think about it, I would have realized how not-PC it is to liken black people to gorillas. I didn't do that, because I don't think I should have to. I shouldn't have to narrow my vocabulary, or be forced to discriminate among my vocabulary, just to accommodate racial sensitivity.

I had totally forgotten that the guy was black when I made that post. So I'm not sorry. The guy acted like crazed simian and I feel comfortable describing his behavior as such.

Of course you're not going to apologize. It's just ironic that a self-professed "zomg i'll bust your teeth if you ever call me a racist to my face" (as if anyone here wants to meet you in person lol) guy finds it apt to compare an angry black person to a gorilla.

"Forgot he was black" lmao. Didn't you start this whole convo because it was about some lawyer who was going around repping black people who'd been shot by white people? Wasn't that the whole thing about it that stuck in your little craw?

[BananaStand]

"Forgot he was black" lmao. Didn't you start this whole convo because it was about some lawyer who was going around repping black people who'd been shot by white people? Wasn't that the whole thing about it that stuck in your little craw?

yeah, but then we started talking about the individual involved in the altercation, and his specific individual behavior. When race became irrelevant, I stopped thinking about it.

[BananaStand]

"zomg i'll bust your teeth if you ever call me a racist to my face"

Not what I said

[Poopadoop]

yeah, but then we started talking about the individual involved in the altercation, and his specific individual behavior. When race became irrelevant, I stopped thinking about it.

ya sure. you suddenly forgot it was a black man and a white man involved.

Why don't you just be a man and admit it.

[BananaStand]

ya sure. you suddenly forgot it was a black man and a white man involved.

Why don't you just be a man and admit it.

I would. But I swear to L. Ron that I forgot. Literally. We were talking about the race thing yesterday, and now we're all caught up in the actual incident, and not the manipulative demagoguery that followed. So yeah, my thoughts were all within the context of two people in an altercation about a parking dispute. Race wasn't in there.

[Poopadoop]

I would.

Oh, but you wouldn't.

But I swear to L. Ron that I forgot. Literally. We were talking about the race thing yesterday, and now we're all caught up in the actual incident, and not the manipulative demagoguery that followed. So yeah, my thoughts were all within the context of two people in an altercation about a parking dispute. Race wasn't in there.

I rest my case.

[BananaStand]

Oh, but you wouldn't.

Yeah, I actually would.

[Poopadoop]

So, in your mind's eye you imagined two men in an altercation, and could vividly describe one of them as "flailing like a gorilla". But in your mind he had no skin colour? All you can describe are his actions and nothing else about him, nothing even as basic as whether he was a black man, white man, hispanic man, etc. ?

Lol good one.

Best not try that out in court is my advice.

[BananaStand]

So, in your mind's eye you imagined two men in an altercation, and could vividly describe one of them as "flailing like a gorilla". But in your mind he had no skin colour?

not just in my mind's eye.....that's exactly what's on the video! The video does not show skin colors.

[MadMojoMonkey]

No reasonable person thinks being shoved to the ground necessitates a threat to your life. If the guy was gonna kill you he wouldnt stop after he shoved you and just stand there. He'd be on top of you banging your head off the ground.

Either that or he'd just pull his own gun and shoot you in cold blood in the first place.

This. Mostly.

It's absurd to posit that every murderer will act in the same way. We can't know the intent of the pusher.
However, the body language indicates what you've asserted. He wasn't continuing to attack after the initial push. His hands were at his sides.
He backed away when the gun was drawn. (I don't see the gun in the video, but knowing that the guy was shot makes it fairly clear when the gun was pulled.)



FFS, it's a war crime to shoot someone whom is not an "active combatant." Shooting someone fleeing a field of battle is a war crime.
The reality on the ground may never pan out like that. I'm not saying it does.
I'm saying that if the laws we hold as humans offer more right to life to a true enemy of our country than to our citizens in a parking lot, then things are fucking wrong.

Fuck your SYG laws, Florida.

[Poopadoop]

not just in my mind's eye.....that's exactly what's on the video! The video does not show skin colors.

I'll give you a hint- the one with very dark skin and kinky hair is a black man.

[BananaStand]

If you think that video definitively shows race...you're out of your mind.

This is what I think is happening to you



There are no red pixels in that picture. Your mind just sees strawberries and *wants* to see red. Just like when you see someone get shot, you *want* him to be black. Racist.

[BananaStand]

What's up with that guy in the blue shirt in the video?

"ooh look a fight.....oh shit that's a gun"

He was so cool about it. Just changed direction and walked. I'd be sprinting for my life, but this guy was like "nahh, i'll just crouch over here and see how this plays out"

[Poopadoop]

If you think that video definitively shows race...you're out of your mind.

This is what I think is happening to you



There are no red pixels in that picture. Your mind just sees strawberries and *wants* to see red. Just like when you see someone get shot, you *want* him to be black. Racist.

More like your brain sees a black man and thinks 'gorilla' because you are racist.

[BananaStand]

More like your brain sees a black man and thinks 'gorilla' because you are racist.

No, when I see a thick-bodied primate charging and flailing violently without provocation, I think "gorilla" because I've seen actual gorillas before and that's what they do.

https://youtu.be/TWWGMy1NhVg

[OngBonga]

Good job not being a racist there.

It didn't even occur to me that "gorilla" can be seen as racist, until you mentioned it.

I've said it before, I'll say it again... it's you who seems to have an obsession with skin colour. Here, you're basically suggesting there's a list of insults that are acceptable to be directed at white people, but not black people, of which "gorilla" is one of. That is racism, not insulting someone who happens to be black.

[BananaStand]

It didn't even occur to me that "gorilla" can be seen as racist, until you mentioned it.

It didn't occur to me either, even though I did know of the connection. It's just not something I'm sensitive to because I live in a state with like six black people and this doesn't come up very often.

Here, you're basically suggesting there's a list of insults that are acceptable to be directed at white people, but not black people.

It's not just him

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/polit...cks/index.html

Calling Steve Bannon a dog = Fine
Calling Omarosa a dog for the exact same reason in the exact same context = racism.

[OngBonga]

Give it up.

What, pointing out your hypocrisy? You cry sexism while promoting sexism. You cry racism while promoting racism. No, sorry, I won't give it up. Instead you should try to understand why your comments come across as hypocritical.

No reasonable person thinks being shoved to the ground necessitates a threat to your life.

I wouldn't, but I don't live in a country where the guy who just shoved me to the ground might have a gun.

You obviously missed banana's expert analysis whereby you're not a proper CCW owner if you treat pulling your gun, aiming it, and shooting to kill someone as three separate decisions. Once you decide to pull your gun you have to kill them, that's the rule.

I get banana's point that brandishing a gun should not be done simply for the sake of brandishing it. However, this doesn't mean that once a gun is brandished, it has to be fired. That said, the decision to fire may well have been made at exactly the same time as the decision to brandish. That I think is reckless, but is it illegal? I don't know.

[OngBonga]

Calling Steve Bannon a dog = Fine
Calling Omarosa a dog for the exact same reason in the exact same context = racism.

I have no idea how "dog" can even be argued as racist. Rottweiler? Sure, but vague "dog"? That's as racially offensive as "fucking moronic idiot".

[Poopadoop]

What, pointing out your hypocrisy? You cry sexism while promoting sexism. You cry racism while promoting racism. No, sorry, I won't give it up. Instead you should try to understand why your comments come across as hypocritical.

Only because you assume I'm a feminist (which I'm not). And I don't know what you're talking about racism for, sorry.

I wouldn't, but I don't live in a country where the guy who just shoved me to the ground might have a gun.

Get the fuck out. As if being shoved to the ground and then standing there in America is a threat to your life, like it's such a big cultural divide that it means something different there than here. Try being less of a disingenuous retard sometimes.

I get banana's point that brandishing a gun should not be done simply for the sake of brandishing it. However, this doesn't mean that once a gun is brandished, it has to be fired. That said, the decision to fire may well have been made at exactly the same time as the decision to brandish. That I think is reckless, but is it illegal? I don't know.

It's not illegal if he thinks his life is in danger. That's the whole point of the discussion about why SYG is such a retarded law. Maybe if you paid attention to what the debate was about instead of trying to troll everyone by picking apart some tangential comments they make you'd learn something.

[OngBonga]

Not what I said

It's a fair paraphrase, imo. It's certainly what you implied. That's why I called you out on it, because it can so easily be interpreted exactly as poop descirbed it. In fact, I'm struggling to find a different way to interpret "if you call me racist to my face, you might want to take a careful inventory of your teeth", or whatever the exact wording was.

[OngBonga]

Only because you assume I'm a feminist (which I'm not). And I don't know what you're talking about racism for, sorry.

Because you accused banana of being racist for using a word that YOU have associated with skin colour.

[OngBonga]

Get the fuck out. As if being shoved in America is a threat to your life, like it's such a big cultural divide that it means something different there than here. Try being less of a disingenuous retard sometimes.

I'm sorry, I have never been forcefully shoved over by a bigger guy than me for daring to argue with his gf in a nation where lots of people are armed. So no, I really cannot put myself in this guy's shoes.

[OngBonga]

It's not illegal if he thinks his life is in danger.

Who are you to decide if his life is in danger?

[Poopadoop]

Because you accused banana of being racist for using a word that YOU have associated with skin colour.

Fuck off again please.

It's like if banana said 'that guy shoved that cracker down' and I called him out on it, you'd be calling me a hypocrite saying I was the racist for assuming he was being racist using the word 'cracker'. Fact is, everyone who isn't pretending to be a retard knows gorilla is a derogatory slang for a black person.

[Poopadoop]

Who are you to decide if his life is in danger?

Exactly my point, thanks.

[Poopadoop]

I'm sorry, I have never been forcefully shoved over by a bigger guy than me for daring to argue with his gf in a nation where lots of people are armed. So no, I really cannot put myself in this guy's shoes.

You can always find an excuse to plead ignorance about something when it suits you to do so. To most people, in America, the UK, or anywhere else, getting shoved to the ground and then having the person stand there doing nothing does not mean your life is in danger.

[OngBonga]

Exactly my point, thanks.

Well if that's your point, we agree one something.

Fuck off again please.

You really are missing the point.

Fact is, everyone who isn't pretending to be a retard knows gorilla is a derogatory slang for a black person.

So when I call my nephew a little monkey, I'm being racist? Even though he's white? I might as well just throw the n-bomb at him.

[OngBonga]

Gorilla can be used in a racist context, of course. It can also be used perfectly aptly to describe a testosterone-fuelled brute who beats his chest instead of using rationale.

[Poopadoop]

So when I call my nephew a little monkey, I'm being racist? Even though he's white? I might as well just throw the n-bomb at him.

Another disingenuous attempt to play dumb just for the sake of getting a reaction out of someone. You really do get boring sometimes.

[OngBonga]

You can always find an excuse to plead ignorance about something when it suits you to do so. To most people, in America, the UK, or anywhere else, getting shoved to the ground and then having the person stand there doing nothing does not mean your life is in danger.

To most people, they haven't been put in that position and so they are not speaking from a position of experience. How can you say with certainty that you would not fear for your life in that situation? I *probably* wouldn't.

[OngBonga]

Another disingenuous attempt to play dumb just for the sake of getting a reaction out of someone. You really do get boring sometimes.

You're either being disingenuous or stupid, I'm not sure which.

The word "gorilla" was fine in the context banana used it, ie it described a brute. You took it to mean something more. You're the one looking for racism where it doesn't exist. You're the one obsessed with skin colour and language.

Answer my question. Is it ok to call my nephew a little monkey? What if he was black?

[Poopadoop]

You're either being disingenuous or stupid, I'm not sure which.

The word "gorilla" was fine in the context banana used it, ie it described a brute. You took it to mean something more. You're the one looking for racism where it doesn't exist. You're the one obsessed with skin colour and language.

Haha, it was 'fine' for you, but if you ask 100 random black people if it is 'fine' in ANY context, i reckon >90 will say 'fuck you'.

I'd also reckon about 70/100 white people would say it's a stupid thing to say, at the very least insensitive, at the most racist.

Answer my question. Is it ok to call my nephew a little monkey?

It's between you and him really, since it's not a racial slur to call a white person a monkey.

What if he was black?

Not really, no.

[oskar]

https://youtu.be/gG_dA32oH44?t=2m26s

[OngBonga]

Not really, no.

And that's why you're the one being racist. You are treating people differently based on their skin colour. I'm not, I'm treating my white nephew and hypothetical black nephew equally, since it makes no fucking difference to me what colour the little bastard's skin is.

I'd also reckon about 70/100 white people would say it's a stupid thing to say, at the very least insensitive, at the most racist.

It can be argued as careless language given the dude is black, but honestly, I read banana's comment and it really did not occur to me at first that it can be interpreted differently to how I intially interpreted it. So it wasn't that careless.

The response was totally unjustified. You can't just go throwing the word racist around like it's a casual insult. You don't like me calling you racist for saying it's ok to call white kids monkeys but not black kids. Perhaps I'm being harsh using that word, perhaps ignorant would be better. But you are failing to see that you are treating people differently based on their skin colour, and THAT is the problem.

Did this guy act like a brute? Yes he did. So "gorilla" is an acceptable word to describe this man.

[Poopadoop]

You're the one looking for racism where it doesn't exist. You're the one obsessed with skin colour and language.

You know the saying 'doth protest too much'? You should, it was written by an English guy.

This is what I think of when someone gets so defensive about being called a racist that they actually threaten someone with physical harm. In that context, when they go on to use a racial slur it's not a big leap to find that notable, especially when they then try to defend that with multiple bullshit angles about "forgetting" the race of the person involved and pretending their not able to see that a man in a video who is plainly black is actually black.

I'll save you the trouble of your next post

"Well, actually, I couldn't tell if he was black either. The light was bad, he might have just been a white person with a really dark tan, something something, why are you obsessed with skin colour, something something."

[OngBonga]

I forgot the race of the person involved when I read the gorilla comment. I was talking about SYG, and it had fuck all to do with race for me, except for the fact it's only newsworthy because it suits the racist agenda of the media.

[Poopadoop]

And that's why you're the one being racist. You are treating people differently based on their skin colour. I'm not, I'm treating my white nephew and hypothetical black nephew equally, since it makes no fucking difference to me what colour the little bastard's skin is.

Pffft.

It can be argued as careless language given the dude is black.

And that was the point of my sarcastic comment about not being racist.

The response was totally unjustified. You can't just go throwing the word racist around like it's a casual insult.

Well, first, I didn't casually call him a racist, and second, why not? He insults people all the time. If he can dish it out, he can take it too.

You don't like me calling you racist for saying it's ok to call white kids monkeys but not black kids.

I don't actually care what you call me, because calling me racist is absurd. I'm mixed race, so who am I supposed to be against?

If you think all the races should get treated the same, then great. Don't call anyone white/black/other a name that's a derogatory name for someone of their race. It's not my fault some names get associated with some races, and not others. I'm not going to pretend calling a black person a monkey is the same as calling a white person a monkey. And being aware of that fact and so thinking before you talk is not "being a racist" lol.

[Poopadoop]

I forgot the race of the person involved when I read the gorilla comment. I was talking about SYG, and it had fuck all to do with race for me, except for the fact it's only newsworthy because it suits the racist agenda of the media.

This is what I mean when I say you're so predictable it's boring. The only thing about your post I got wrong was in precisely how you would try to defend banana's idiotic comment.

[OngBonga]

I don't actually care what you call me, because calling me racist is absurd. I'm mixed race, so who am I supposed to be against?

Interesting that you think racism is a matter of being "against" a certain race. It's not. It's about treating people differently based on their race.

I'm not going to pretend calling a black person a monkey is the same as calling a white person a monkey.

The thing is, the word "monkey" is a really, really common thing to call a child relative. Obviously I'm not black, so I don't know how common it is in black families. But "little monkey" is basically synonymous with "mischievous child" here in the UK. Meanwhile, "gorilla" is a fairly common word to describe a brute, and a very rare racial slur.

Some words can be racist and non-racist depending on the context. Gorilla and monkey are two examples. It's really not difficult to decide if the use of the word fits the non-racist definition before deciding if it's intented to be racist.

[OngBonga]

This is what I mean when I say you're so predictable it's boring. The only thing about your post I got wrong was in precisely how you would try to defend banana's idiotic comment.

I'm defending it because 100% I did not interpret it as remotely racist and think it is unjustified for you to do so.

[Poopadoop]

Interesting that you think racism is a matter of being "against" a certain race. It's not. It's about treating people differently based on their race.

Sure, just like that prejudice against a certain religion that your so fond of.

Some words can be racist and non-racist depending on the context. Gorilla and monkey are two examples. It's really not difficult to decide if the use of the word fits the non-racist definition before deciding if it's intented to be racist.

Point is, the language is rich and varied enough that if you're actually sensitive to treating everyone the same by not calling them words that are derogatory for a person of their race, you can easily find an alternative word that doesn't come across as racist.

e.g., "That brute pushed him down."

See how easy that is?

[OngBonga]

I don't actually care what you call me, because calling me racist is absurd. I'm mixed race, so who am I supposed to be against?

This comment is actually quite absurd. I'm assuming that you think it is impossible for you to be racist? Because of your skin colour?

How are you not aware of your own absurdity?

[Poopadoop]

I'm defending it because 100% I did not interpret it as remotely racist and think it is unjustified for you to do so.

Maybe you're just unfamiliar with the use of the term in that sense, not being raised in N. America. So you really just don't know about it.

How many slang words to you know for Native American?

[Poopadoop]

This comment is actually quite absurd. I'm assuming that you think it is impossible for you to be racist? Because of your skin colour?

How are you not aware of your own absurdity?

I'm fully aware of my own absurdity, thanks.

I find it easy to sympathize with other races because I can identify with two of them. So it's actually hard for me to think of 'race' as some kind of thing you either are or aren't or having any import at all.

There's probably studies out there that show that mixed-race people hold the least racist attitudes of any group; at least that's been my personal experience.

[OngBonga]

Sure, just like that prejudice against a certain religion that your so fond of.

Oh nice, I like what you did there. You're suggesting race and religion are synonymous?

Nope. Try harder. I'm against batshitism, not skin colour or nations. Racism and anti-religious sentiment are a million miles apart. But of course, to you, anti-religious sentiment is as bad as racism. Unless it's scientology or satanism, naturally.

You up for a swarm of scientologists coming here, setting up communities and building churches? Nope? RACIST.

[OngBonga]

How many slang words to you know for Native American?

Is Injun offensive? That's about all I've got.

[Poopadoop]

Is Injun offensive? That's about all I've got.

Yes it is. But it's a bit dated so you'd probably get away with a dirty look rather than a punch in the nose.

[Poopadoop]

Oh nice, I like what you did there. You're suggesting race and religion are synonymous?

Nope. Try harder. I'm against batshitism, not skin colour or nations. Racism and anti-religious sentiment are a million miles apart. But of course, to you, anti-religious sentiment is as bad as racism. Unless it's scientology or satanism, naturally.

You up for a swarm of scientologists coming here, setting up communities and building churches? Nope? RACIST.

Never said it was racist, said it was prejudice.

And no, I don't want Sharia Law taking over. I just don't see that as a legitimate threat.

[OngBonga]

And no, I don't want Sharia Law taking over. I just don't see that as a legitimate threat.

I do.

And let's be clear... prejudism is an irrational attitude of hostility towards a group of people. I do not believe my hosility is irrational. So, I do not see my anti-Islamic stance as prejudiced. I see Islam as a threat to our way of life. You say you don't want Sharia? Nope, neither do I. They do, and they will push for it more and more as their population grows. If you don't think that's going to happen, I'm sorry but I think you're naive.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Who are you to decide if his life is in danger?

That's the discussion, man. We all have that right.
We're all free to make up our minds about what we saw on that video, and the surrounding facts in the case that have been exposed.

We're trying to understand WTF is justice in this fucked up world we live in.
Asserting what seems right to us is the whole point.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Fuck off again please.

It's like if banana said 'that guy shoved that cracker down' and I called him out on it, you'd be calling me a hypocrite saying I was the racist for assuming he was being racist using the word 'cracker'. Fact is, everyone who isn't pretending to be a retard knows gorilla is a derogatory slang for a black person.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ong, your broad stroke of classing all Muslims as wanting to enact Sharia law and oppress {whomever} is prejudice on the scale of racism.

I work with and have lived with Muslims and they're just people. They're not interested in oppressing others, just living their lives, and raising their families. Some of them are total jerks. Just like the other people I know.

Your irrational fear of people whom you've never met is leading you to what? Pre-oppress them? Treat them differently than you'd treat others? Argue for different rights for them than others?

There's literally nothing different between your anti-muslim rhetoric and any racist crap.
It's bigotry. Plain and simple.


Poopy's approach is just practical life in America.
After high school, 'cause I thought it was funny, I had a habit of calling my friends a "fucking monkey" if they did something dumb or silly or amusing. It was just late-teen banter where we'd take digs at each other all the time and laugh about it. No one thought anything about me calling them a monkey. My high school had < 2% minority students. Not just blacks, but all minorities. I grew up in white-land.
Then I moved into the city.
The first time I called someone a monkey, I learned a life lesson. It doesn't matter my intent. People are going to hear that a certain way. I cannot change that. I can only accept that if I say that word in that context, it's going to be perceived as racist.
So I stopped using that as a friendly dig. Life hack. Saves unwanted BS.

EDIT: Nanners lives in white-land, right? It's possible that he's never heard that calling a person a monkey (gorilla, ape, whatever) is probably going to be perceived as racist to anyone who's not white.

[oskar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=g7TAAw3oQvg
3 million views, 90% upvotes on a video that grossly misuses statistics. A couple of years ago I wrote people like Shapiro and Jordan Peterson off as fringe lunatics, but somehow they're mainstream now. I guess with Trump as president nothing should surprise me, but there we go.
If you wonder where spoon/wuf/ong get their ideas from, those two and the popular TYT spinoff Majority Report will give you the answer.

[Poopadoop]

Yeah those are some pretty crazy numbers.

I've been to Iran and it's actually a pretty secular country. Having spoken to people there with no reason to lie about it, 90% of the people there hate the fucking gov't and don't want Sharia Law either.

Tehran itself is notable for having fewer mosques than there are churches in a comparably sized city in the west - not enough people go.

And this guy somehow pulls a number out of his ass that 2/3 of the pop. in Iran are 'radical muslims'. Waaaat?

Also, his number for the UK, where 2/3 say there should be some form of 'legal' punishment for desecrating Mohammed - that makes them 'radical'? Tell me, if you polled Christians on whether it was ok for other people to burn crosses or other religious symbols, how many would want that "prosecuted?" I'm guessing it's a comparable number. How many "radical Christians" live in the west by that standard then?

[BananaStand]

Also, his number for the UK, where 2/3 say there should be some form of 'legal' punishment for desecrating Mohammed - that makes them 'radical'? Tell me, if you polled Christians on whether it was ok for other people to burn crosses or other religious symbols, how many would want that "prosecuted?" I'm guessing it's a comparable number. How many "radical Christians" live in the west by that standard then?

Re Bolded: Almost none.

Google "piss christ" and tell me how many casualties it caused.

Now google what happens when someone draws Mohammed.

[OngBonga]

Ong, your broad stroke of classing all Muslims as wanting to enact Sharia law and oppress {whomever} is prejudice on the scale of racism.

Who said anything about all Muslims? If people come here to integrate, I haven't got a problem.

I work with and have lived with Muslims and they're just people.

Sure they are. I never suggested otherwise. I said it was batshit and I am hostile to their religion. It's not like Islam is the only religion I'm hostile to. I'm also hostile towards Scientology and Satanaism.And Catholicism. The Pope can fuck off every bit as much as Mullah Abdul Mohammed, and so can any batshit Catholics who want to come to England and turn a nice historic town into a centre of bathsit.

There's literally nothing different between your anti-muslim rhetoric and any racist crap.

I'm sorry but you're just being dumb here. Race is not a choice. Religion is.

It's bigotry. Plain and simple.

Bigotry isn't a dirty word anymore, sorry. You guys are bigoted as fuck when it comes to Trump and his supporters, so you don't get to use that word like it's a bad thing. Yes I'm intolerant of batshit. No apologies for that. Personally, I would like to see all religion disappear. That would be evolutionary progress.

[OngBonga]

Also, his number for the UK, where 2/3 say there should be some form of 'legal' punishment for desecrating Mohammed - that makes them 'radical'? Tell me, if you polled Christians on whether it was ok for other people to burn crosses or other religious symbols, how many would want that "prosecuted?" I'm guessing it's a comparable number. How many "radical Christians" live in the west by that standard then?

This would be a fine counter-argument if it wasn't for one thing...

Ask a Christian what punishment should be given to someone for bruning a Bible?
Now ask a Mulsim what punishment should be given for burning the Koran?

Then talk to me about radical.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Who said anything about all Muslims? If people come here to integrate, I haven't got a problem.

Yeah... for almost the breath between sentences, you were convincing.

Sure they are. I never suggested otherwise. I said it was batshit and I am hostile to their religion.

You know what Muslim means, right? One whom practices Islam.
You're claiming that everyone whom practices Islam is batshit.
Case closed.

I'm sorry but you're just being dumb here. Race is not a choice. Religion is.

Who cares? The content of your bigotry is indistinguishable, was my point.

Bigotry isn't a dirty word anymore, sorry.

Are you seriously going to make me fucking do this?
Fine.
Your baseless categorizing of someone based on characteristics you do not know they have, as individuals,
is a total jerk move.

Don't be a jerk.

You guys are bigoted as fuck when it comes to Trump and his supporters, so you don't get to use that word like it's a bad thing. Yes I'm intolerant of batshit. No apologies for that. Personally, I would like to see all religion disappear. That would be evolutionary progress.

Wait, WTF?
How many guys do you think I am?
I said what about Trump? Where?
Or about his supporters? When was that?
How the fuck does one person's bigotry excuse anyone else's bigotry?

I'm kinda jealous of how high you were when you posted this.