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[OngBonga]

So your issue with woke people is that they act morally superior to racists?

No. If woke simply meant anti-racist, then it wouldn't be much of an insult.

I'm anti-racist. That doesn't make me woke. What makes people woke is when they assume that their moral compass is superior to that of anyone who disagrees with their world view. Racism is an interesting one because, as far as I'm concerned, left wing "anti-racism" is itself racist. To me, to be anti-racist is to treat everyone equally. To the left, to be anti-racist means to treat black people as a race like they are victims. I find the idea of treating black people differently to white people to be racist. I'm not ignorant to the fact black people are much, much more likely to be subject to racism, and an awareness of this is fine. But to treat black people differently is not the way to deal with racism, on the contrary it reinforces it.

If you disagree with me there, fine. I don't think that makes you morally inferior to me. I don't think that makes you racist. Thus, I am not woke.

Seriously though, I agree there are some "woke" people who are overbearing and overly judgmental. But there's people like that on the right as well.

Definitely. There's idiots on all sides.

Find me something in the Guardian or Times that's been fact-checked on in the past year and has been revealed to be a fabrication.

Nice caveat with "fact-checked". Who do you think the fact checkers are? This isn't fact-checking in the scientific sense. It's fact checking in the sense of checking what the accepted narrative is.

Left wing media promotes state narrative. Right wing media challenges it. Neither are sincere.

[Poopadoop]

What makes people woke is when they assume that their moral compass is superior to that of anyone who disagrees with their world view.

Seems like you've changed the meaning of "woke" into a convenient catch-all term for anyone who disagrees with your worldview, and tries to convince you you're wrong. I mean you basically don't have a problem with the dictionary definition, which would classify you as "woke," so you've come up your own and/or adopted the negative connotation of "woke" used by the far-right loonies for your own ideological reasons (i.e., because you disagree with the left on a more general basis, so calling them "woke" as an insult is a convenient rhetorical device).

Racism is an interesting one because, as far as I'm concerned, left wing "anti-racism" is itself racist. To me, to be anti-racist is to treat everyone equally.

Absolutely.

To the left, to be anti-racist means to treat black people as a race like they are victims. I find the idea of treating black people differently to white people to be racist. I'm not ignorant to the fact black people are much, much more likely to be subject to racism, and an awareness of this is fine. But to treat black people differently is not the way to deal with racism, on the contrary it reinforces it.

Not to all of us. But I agree there are well-meaning people who confuse equality with "retribution," or some such.

Like, if you think black people should get an advantage today to compensate for historical abuses from centuries past, this is unfair imo.

If you disagree with me there, fine. I don't think that makes you morally inferior to me. I don't think that makes you racist. Thus, I am not woke.

How about we agree that you're not using the word "woke" correctly according to the dictionary and leave it at that.

Nice caveat with "fact-checked". Who do you think the fact checkers are? This isn't fact-checking in the scientific sense. It's fact checking in the sense of checking what the accepted narrative is.

lol, so now the fact checkers are in on the conspiracy.

It's often pretty easy to find disparities between the objective truth and what someone has said. cf. Trump and Britain Trump.

Left wing media promotes state narrative. Right wing media challenges it. Neither are sincere.

So the BBC, that refuses to report anything negative about the Tories, is more left-wing than the Guardian and the Times, who both do.

This is a gross oversimplification and not even remotely accurate.