Not So Vanilla Werewolf Diffusion

[rong]

I don't like this, it's fishing.

It's a dam good question imo. But I get your point.

[rong]

I'd like to lynch either Jyms or preferably Ong, How is he still alive? We wanted to lynch him for a reason. He is now skating by with no pressure on him whatsoever and really looking unlikely to ever get lynched. Considering the night 1 kill and day 2 claim switch happened to be pretty much the only way he could ever get away with not being lynched I find it a little hard to believe.

And someone earlier today posted how I need to be lynched just to stop the distraction. Hello!!!!! This is what we said about Ong too yet for some reason he has stopped being a distraction and drifted into villager land. How the fuck has that happened?

[rong]

This:

Rong is probably never a wolf here, it'd be absurd for him to switch so late.

and this:

Both rong and Gator as wolves isn't possible, since rong switching just outs 2 wolves.

Rong as wolf, Gator as villager. Nope why would a wolf switch villagers at the last second?

Only both as villagers or Gator as wolf makes sense.

I was under hardly any pressure. Why would I draw so much attention to myself if I'm a wolf. It would be ridiculous. There was just

[rong]

(Fuck posted by accident before I'd finished)

....... no reason for me to do it at all. The idea that if I'm a wolf I'd rather lynch Gabe than night kill him is true, it would definitely be better for me, but not in those circumstances. I'd never do it as a wolf.

[rong]

I just finished my ethics exam, and have time to play again!

@Hoopy: What are you talking about? Rong could easily switch votes there as a wolf, I think hes actually one of the best wolves on ftr because of shit like that. I also dont agree with his reason for switching either. Luco didnt out last game and was practically insta killed for it and showed up wolf, and I think rong was the main advocate of that reasoning too. To say Gator would have always outed as a wolf is to ignore all of this. I think Rong's switch is pretty damn wolfy, and given that his 'reads post' a few pages back was almost absent of villager reads and no committing wolf reads, it is a huge mistake to ignore him. Absent of villager reads? Did you actually read it? I had 3 people in my villager camp with specific reasons for 2 of them.

@Ong: I am completely confused my a keith nom, there are enough people saying youre a villager that id expect you to have been killed actually. Maybe theyre trying to dodge angel saves? Idfk Or perhaps he's a wolf, which would also explain a lot, especially as he is now seeming to be considered a villager.

Dont be bolding carelessly though with 3 wolves and 5 to lynch though plz, we want a discussion here.

.

[BankItDrew]

My case against jyms:

jyms was tied on Day 1 voting with daven at 4-4 but has not received any heat since. This strikes me as odd because he hasn't contributed much thought on who the wolves are since then. No strong evidence and just nothing that sticks. Don't worry, it won't take long to read through everything he's said.

The following is every single post he has made after post #250 during day 1. We can assume that along with these, early day 1 posts were useless too:

It's funny. I posted more about my thoughts and looked wolfy, this game I have been reading and not posting much to avoid the same pitfalls of the last few games and I still look wolfy. It's funny how people think I look wolfy all the time no matter what I do or don't do. Pretty easy now for wolves to start saying I look wolfy and can get a village to jump on a wagon.

Just a bunch of babble.

Drew as irrelevant as I am. We will both be hung up out of convenience and conjecture. Neither of us will make end game because "we look wolfy"

JKDS is a horrible lynch if he's a villager. He's both a good wolf and a good villager, not unlike daven, gabe, gator, rong or JV to name a few. It's day one and I just don't care what happens since it's a crap shoot. This game is loaded with good players and all we need is conversations. We are getting them

More babble + some bad reads early on that are just based on stuff he thinks about previous games.

Recind, Lynch daven

Gator is still a wolf

Had it wrong, just like many did, I know.

I've been called a lot of things, but this is new.

babble.

Ong is a wolf who is drawing heat to allow the other wolves to gain villager cred by bolding and trying to lynch him. He's trying a level two by having JV killed at night when it's obvious that it was a set up. Why would Ong and the wolves kill JV when they butted heads.

Ong and gator are both wolves,

This is his first post with any substance and doesn't happen until post #464 . I applaud you, jyms. But then he backs off very quickly only 37 posts later with:

Other than one post Back on early day one I don't think I've mentioned Ong. Not once. I certainly haven't bolded him. I do think he's capable of telling other wolves to throw him under the bus and get him lynched for cred. I don't have him on my radar. He won't make the endgame playing this way.

Oh shit I don't ever remember feeling that way, and I still believe in gator. I guess I made my standard game mistake. May as well blow me up now.

Nothing here.

I'm not disinterested. Just reading the thread and really busy. It's not an excuse, and I'm not hiding. I haven't taken any notes and really am jsut paying attention to people and tone.

Maybe. But even if you're paying attention to people and tone (same thing I hope), where is your assistance to the village?

gator hasn't even attempted to out so I see no reason to switch.

Such a bad play rong.

We planned on lynching gator, hence the votes until you switched. You didn't give gabe a chance to out or speak before. Gator had plenty of time.

I think lynching rong is the next play, no question and if he flips gator goes next.
At least the night two seer should look him up

In response to gator saying "Rong's switch is only incriminating if I am a wolf, which I am not.":

I don't know about that. Think about it. We lynch rong and he flips wolf we could spend a day arguing these merits and kill you either way, it would help bury the wolves who help and push for your wagon. I think you are a possible wolf still but we need to lynch rong. I think it's gotta play this way.

I also can't go back yet on my phone, but it's quite possible gabe was on to something and it was easier for wolf rong to kill him this way than have the wolves night kill him, that would bury his past posts as not significant

lynch rong

I have a theory that says wolf jyms decided early on to gun for gator, for no other reason than that gator was a villager that he wanted out of the game asap. rong is a villager but rong is such an easy target right now after his jump last day.

Ya I can see how last game when gabe mentioned hoopy, savy and luco as 3 of the 4 wolves I panicked that we couldn't kill him that night because that post could garner a lot of attention. If he was in a race for lynch I would have taken one for the team there and switched my vote to bury that post

Again, nothing but nothingness and stuff about other games.

Then, he starts going on a bigred tangent for no reason at all other than the fact that it's bigred:

Ya Bigred dies if rong flips

No rush, still need to see if there is anyone that want's to offer up some info. Maybe the n2 seer wants to speak. Are you in a rush to die?

I see Bigred as a great wagon against rong. Anyone want to weigh in a thought?

A bit of Gator defense, temporarily he mentions though... :

Gator can't die today. As much as I am one of those that wants him to. We need to lynch rong for the last minute flip. No way does he last till end game now. Just like the wolves like to kill confirmed villagers to keep it tough on the town, we need to lynch someone that will be a distraction until he dies. He will be a wolf suspicion until he's gone and keep the village split in too many parts.

rong dies and the sooner we do the sooner we find wolf two.

I usually do. I've been busy with some conversations behind the scenes with the radmins and forgot a few times I was in the game. I'm catching up now.

More "I'm busy but will help out later" posts

We lynched daven because he claimed he was going to be afk for a while and will be of little use. Why are we not applying this same logic to jyms? And Why did the unsuccessful jyms wagon from day 1 die immediately?

[BankItDrew]

Either gator or jyms is a wolf. Let's peg a wolf and clear a villager today.

lynch jyms

[Luco]

Something to consider, take a look at the postcount.

Notice anything funny? All 3 of JKDS/jyms/Luco have way less posts than usual. Jyms is normally near top of the list, JKDS has the same number of posts as me which never happens.

And why do they need to post much right now? Village is already geared up to lynch rong today.

They be wolfin!

lynch JKDS

I just looked at my post count and I'm surprised it's not lower, I feel like I haven't contributed much so far.

I should be able to steal a bit of work time tomorrow.

[jyms]

Lots of work, surely all that quoting will net you some villager points but none of it matters. I've said in the past that I won't make end game, neither will you. After last nights switch by rong, neither him nor gator will either. It's all part of the process. the only thing that makes any of this change is if someone, anyone of us is a wolf and then everyone has a string to tie to others. So one of us has to die. Let's just do it.

[GatorJH]

Lots of work, surely all that quoting will net you some villager points but none of it matters. I've said in the past that I won't make end game, neither will you. After last nights switch by rong, neither him nor gator will either. It's all part of the process. the only thing that makes any of this change is if someone, anyone of us is a wolf and then everyone has a string to tie to others. So one of us has to die. Let's just do it.

Where do you have Ong in all of this? Part of me wants to believe he is a villager and just made a tactical error, but another equal part of me says he has to be a wolf.

[jyms]

Where do you have Ong in all of this? Part of me wants to believe he is a villager and just made a tactical error, but another equal part of me says he has to be a wolf.

I'm the same, and that is why I figure he's not going to survive much longer. neither will I. Unless we bag a wolf I expect us 4 to be some of the first ones to go. I know there is no way I'm going to get to final 4 or 5 with Ong after his day one tactics. I also don't wnat to end up there with rong. I would rather be left with bigred, hehe

[OngBonga]

I really don't see how I ever switch like that as a villager.

I couldn't agree more, wolf.

You hate that I've ceased to be an easy mislynch. Do you actually have a case on me? Or is it "he lied, lynch him ldfo"? Because it really looks to me like you're doing your best to ensure that the village do not lose sight of me. Wolves need me to remain a target, right? You're in no position to let up on me because you need mislynches to win.

gator, you too?

[wufwugy]

bid - jyms
hoop - jkds
bigred - jyms
jyms - rong
ong - rong

no voting - jkds, gator, luco, rong

jyms - 2
jkds - 1
rong - 2

[GatorJH]

gator, you too?

Like I said, only half of me doesn't believe that you are a villager, however the sequence of events also looks suspicious and you having an "answer" for them is also suspicious.

Here are two scenarios that I keep running through.

Scenario 1 - What you are saying is true. In this scenario I could see the wolves wanting to nom JV because they could see the following happening: Seer Ong confirms JV is a villager, but the only way to confirm is to lynch Ong. Once Ong is lynched on day 2 (and determined to be a seer) the wolves have to determine which night to roll the dice and try to take out the first confirmed villager. JV is a strong villager so the longer they keep him alive the more likely he sniffs them out. This is a plausible scenario.

Scenario 2 - You are a wolf. You know that if you report JV as a villager the same process above plays out, which is very bad for the wolves. You could report that JV is indeed a wolf and he may or may not have been lynched Day 2, but you would die day 2 or day 3. Either way here you end up dead so that can't be the optimal play.

Wolves could have killed JV and let you say "I was gonna report that" but the general sentiment probably would have been "yeah right" and you still may have been lynched because there is no way to really prove you looked him up as a seer. So the plan all along could have been to kill JV and you out an an angel who was just trying to help and things went bad.

This too is plausible and therefore how do we as a village sort this out?

[OngBonga]

You're right, it's plausible. But it's hardly optimal. Gator you're a thinking man. Try and figure out what optimal wolf strategy would be. You'll know if you figured it out, because you'll be thinking "fuck I'm not saying that out loud". Optimal line for wolves is so strong that I would sooner get mislynched today than explain why the line I have taken proves I'm a villager.

[GatorJH]

I think I see what you are saying. If the wolves believed you were a seer then their other move would have been to nom you night 1 and hope the village nommed JV on day 2. At a minimum JV would still be an unknown.

Is that what you are saying?

[GatorJH]

If there is a more optimal line than that I don't know what it is.

However if that is the line you were thinking then there is no way for the wolves to take an optimal line if you are one of them so we are still in a state of unknown.

[GatorJH]

I am going to start reviewing people and posting my thoughts, starting with Bigred.

He has had minimal impact to the game and provided no insight. If he is a villager this could be bad when it comes to him helping figure out who the wolves are. If he is a wolf we won't be able to tie him to anybody so he is probably not our best bet for today, but how much longer can we keep him alive if he isn't helping out.

[GatorJH]

Bigred, you made the following comments in back to back posts. Can you expand on why you think Luco is a wolf and why he is tied to Jyms?

Looking back on the first day I think there's a high chance Luco is a wolf as well.

And if he is, I think we need to look at Jums

[OngBonga]

The point I'm making is I'm not a wolf because I have a better idea of how to play this game as wolf than the line I'm taking. If I could explain, then I suspect people would agree, and I would become confirmed villager. The downside to explaining is it gives the wolves ideas. Admittedly it's not as strong a line if it's out in the open as a viable strategy, but it's still a potential game winner and as such is it's gonna have to wait until after the game, or final day if somehow I'm still alive.

For me to be a wolf I'm deliberately taking a clusterfuck line, in an attempt to wtf people into thinking I must be a villager. I guess I have that in me, but I would not choose this format to action such a strategy.

I'm particularly suspicious of rong right now. His stance on me is that I need to go. Gator is weighing up the options and trying to figure out if I need to go or not. That seems to me a more villagery line to take than basically policy lynching me for a failed gambit.

[GatorJH]

I feel bad saying this but I didn't even read Keith's super long post.

I agree with Gabe about the odds of Keith nailing all 3 like that being about 1 in 1(add lots of zeros here).

But this doesn't make keith wolfy, it makes him keith.

Here's my thoughts. This is without rereading the thread, just my feelings on each player from what has stuck with me.

jkds - No idea. I don't have anything to say about him. I don't know why and I don't like it. He has posted a good chunk but for some reason I don't feel he has added much. This may just be me remembering poorly in the morning. I need to reread which I fucking hate doing but I'm going to have to on the strength of JKDS alone.

ong - hmmmpffff, I kinda get where Gabe is coming from in that his behavior when viewed in total does seem more likely villager than wolf. However, when Gabe discusses it he always seems imply that it is really unlikely wolf Ong would act like this, which I disagree with. I mean day 1 he played it exactly how wolf ong would. I think I also did a great job of explaining his predicament and the likely outcomes. If wolf he did potentially the only thing he could to avoid his lynch. Gabe seems to want to ignore this point. This bothers me about Gabe. Overall, I think Ong could definitely still be a wolf, although by no means a guarantee, but we also know he isn't a future seer, so he is a low risk lynch at a time when we don't have any particularly good suspects.

gator - seems dodgy but nothing solid to go on. I wouldn't be against his lynch but don't really have a case against him. This is standard for Gator though regardless of role. He seems to be posting very little that is memorable.

jums - wolfy, not adding much, possibly describe him as guarded.

bid - I have no fucking idea what this guy is up to at any point. No role would surprise me.

bigred - bigred, nothing would surprise me.

luco - need to see more, not sure right now. Has been akf but explained it. Not keen to lynch right now.

hoop - he seems like hoopy always seems, which is always a bit wolfy, he's kinda like jyms in that regard. Nothing memorable stands out. Wouldn't be against his lynch but not overly keen on it either.

gabe - I can't read Gabe at all. We seem to be on opposite sides of the Ong situation and I do question his analysis as it seems to try to make sure Ong is seen as a villager. I get what he's saying but I think he tilts it funny Possibly a wolf but again I don't really have much to go on and I could be skewed by his constantly calling me a wolf.

keith - standard keith. No fucking idea whatsoever.


I'm gonna read through again later today. I don't think we're anywhere near deadline yet so no rush. I'm interested to see how my thoughts change from having just read the thread once disjointedly to reading it all in one go.

Rong should get pretty solid villager points for this post.

[OngBonga]

Rong should get pretty solid villager points for this post.

Yeah no fucking way is gator a wolf.

[GatorJH]

The point I'm making is I'm not a wolf because I have a better idea of how to play this game as wolf than the line I'm taking. If I could explain, then I suspect people would agree, and I would become confirmed villager. The downside to explaining is it gives the wolves ideas. Admittedly it's not as strong a line if it's out in the open as a viable strategy, but it's still a potential game winner and as such is it's gonna have to wait until after the game, or final day if somehow I'm still alive.

For me to be a wolf I'm deliberately taking a clusterfuck line, in an attempt to wtf people into thinking I must be a villager. I guess I have that in me, but I would not choose this format to action such a strategy.

I'm particularly suspicious of rong right now. His stance on me is that I need to go. Gator is weighing up the options and trying to figure out if I need to go or not. That seems to me a more villagery line to take than basically policy lynching me for a failed gambit.

Yeah, but in Rong's defense if no one else can see this optimal play but you how do we know one actually exists.

@JKDS, you are the only other player in the game (to my knowledge) who has played this format. What are your thoughts on Ong here?

[OngBonga]

I guess gator could be a wolf with rong but I doubt it.

gator, there's two ways to see if I'm honest - wait until I die, or wait until final day.

JKDS might be able to figure out what I'm talking about. I'm happy that JKDS is not a wolf because he hasn't behaved in a manner that would imply that he is already onto this idea of mine.

[GatorJH]

Rong should get pretty solid villager points for this post.

I have to sort of take back what I said here. I noticed a post I made a few after Rong's agreeing with Gabe that Rong didn't really say much so I then re-read the entire post (instead of skimming it like I just did). Pretty much everybody on his list could be a wolf or a villager.

Meh, I don't know what to think about rong right now.

[jyms]

I feel bad saying this but I didn't even read Keith's super long post.

I agree with Gabe about the odds of Keith nailing all 3 like that being about 1 in 1(add lots of zeros here).

But this doesn't make keith wolfy, it makes him keith.

Here's my thoughts. This is without rereading the thread, just my feelings on each player from what has stuck with me.

jkds - No idea. I don't have anything to say about him. I don't know why and I don't like it. He has posted a good chunk but for some reason I don't feel he has added much. This may just be me remembering poorly in the morning. I need to reread which I fucking hate doing but I'm going to have to on the strength of JKDS alone.

ong - hmmmpffff, I kinda get where Gabe is coming from in that his behavior when viewed in total does seem more likely villager than wolf. However, when Gabe discusses it he always seems imply that it is really unlikely wolf Ong would act like this, which I disagree with. I mean day 1 he played it exactly how wolf ong would. I think I also did a great job of explaining his predicament and the likely outcomes. If wolf he did potentially the only thing he could to avoid his lynch. Gabe seems to want to ignore this point. This bothers me about Gabe. Overall, I think Ong could definitely still be a wolf, although by no means a guarantee, but we also know he isn't a future seer, so he is a low risk lynch at a time when we don't have any particularly good suspects.

gator - seems dodgy but nothing solid to go on. I wouldn't be against his lynch but don't really have a case against him. This is standard for Gator though regardless of role. He seems to be posting very little that is memorable.

jums - wolfy, not adding much, possibly describe him as guarded.

bid - I have no fucking idea what this guy is up to at any point. No role would surprise me.

bigred - bigred, nothing would surprise me.

luco - need to see more, not sure right now. Has been akf but explained it. Not keen to lynch right now.

hoop - he seems like hoopy always seems, which is always a bit wolfy, he's kinda like jyms in that regard. Nothing memorable stands out. Wouldn't be against his lynch but not overly keen on it either.

gabe - I can't read Gabe at all. We seem to be on opposite sides of the Ong situation and I do question his analysis as it seems to try to make sure Ong is seen as a villager. I get what he's saying but I think he tilts it funny Possibly a wolf but again I don't really have much to go on and I could be skewed by his constantly calling me a wolf.

keith - standard keith. No fucking idea whatsoever.


I'm gonna read through again later today. I don't think we're anywhere near deadline yet so no rush. I'm interested to see how my thoughts change from having just read the thread once disjointedly to reading it all in one go.

For the TLR crowd it's a "Look I'm hunting" post. He posted this before he switched off gator to gabe. I'm going to go back and reread all of gabes stuff because I still think rong took a hit for something gabe said about other wovles. When rong flips wolf I think this is key

[JKDS]

I think ong is a pretty obv villager. I disagree that rong's reads post meant anything (gator and jyms explained why), and am kinda scared of Luco. Idk what it is, but his absence right now is making me uneasy.

Jyms is looking pretty villagery after his last bunch of posts, so is gator. Rong-hoopy-? Luco bid br, I can see Luco being the wolf of the three. The dead-weight crap for br isn't a reason to Lynch him, not now anyway. If we get unlucky, we could be two days away from a loss, and using one of them on a player just because he kant up to the most reasonable standards isn't sufficient here.

For today, ill likely be voting rong. I can't see how rong isn't a wolf at this point.

@ong: yes, I'm aware, and id really like discussion of it to die.

[BankItDrew]

This game would be so much easier if I didn't agree with everyone.

Jyms makes a good observation with rongs post and I'm certainly one of those TLDR guys when it's a quote. It's nice to see jyms taking my advice and doubling his content since my last post.

Lock villagers imo are gator and ong. Everyone else is sketchy.

[BankItDrew]

I'd like to see more from luco and hoopy. Those guys are loosing their village cred by not participating.

[rong]

Well, it looks like overall village sentiment is for my ass to hang. When I'm dead pay close attention to Ong, JKDS and Jyms. All 3 won't be wolves buy you can bet your ass one of them is and possibly two.

It's funny, because I was thinking about outing my role, but then realised that actually there is very little point in doing so. It won;t help the village, won't be enough to stop you lynching me and if I do somehow live it actually helps the wolves. SO I get why Gator didn't out now. Which makes me certain Gator isn't a wolf.

This brings me back to Ong, funny how he didn't see it this way. Also funny how there's some optimal way he could have played which means he's never a wolf, but he can't explain that of course. Dodgy as fuck.

[BankItDrew]

I think villagers should re-visit the exchange between ong and jackvance in day 1. I'm changing my mind completely on ong being a lock villager but rather someone who has to go.

rescind jyms

Lynch ong

[BankItDrew]

I'm confident jyms is still a wolf.

[rong]

For the TLR crowd it's a "Look I'm hunting" post. He posted this before he switched off gator to gabe. I'm going to go back and reread all of gabes stuff because I still think rong took a hit for something gabe said about other wovles. When rong flips wolf I think this is key

Jyms, this post has litereally no value whatsoever. You failed to bold a key line from in :

"Here's my thoughts. This is without rereading the thread, just my feelings on each player from what has stuck with me."

I then went on to read the thread and gave more detailed opinions on people including why I thought Luco and Bigred were unlikely wolves. Yet you fail to mention that part. This is the kinda shit I was saying about Ong with his first post, although with Ong I was kinda joke lynching him at that point, but with you it's legitimate. Blatant misrepresentation. You looked through for my posts to try to find something that could be considered wolfy and the best you could come up with was that, highlighting a few bits to make it appear one way, when if read in total, ie including that key line and including the fact that I went on to actually reread the thread as I said I would and then posted more detail, it doesn't have anywhere neat the impact you are giving it.

Now why would a villager do that? They have no incentive to, certainly not when someone is looking like they may get lynched anyway.

lynch jyms

[rong]

BID I agree with you on both counts.

[BankItDrew]

Rong, it's you and I buddy. Let's fucking do this!

[rong]

In fact, Jyms you are a sneaky fucker!

My read through and comments after that read through are on the very next page after the one you quoted. There are thoughts on a few different people and a summary post. SO you can't have been rereading the thread when you stumbled accross that post, as if you did you would have seen the follow up posts on the next page. So you either hunted down something you thought you could work with or just decided not to mention the posts that followed it. Like I said, blatant misrepresentation.

You are blatantly trying to get me lynched based on absolute bullshit.

[rong]

Rong, it's you and I buddy. Let's fucking do this!

I actually think Jyms is a better bet than Ong.

[BankItDrew]

Jyms and ong are wolves. I'm going to re-read the thread and come up with two others that I think are top candidates for the final wolf.

[BankItDrew]

I actually think Jyms is a better bet than Ong.

Okay. Why?

[rong]

Well, the reasons I just stated are pretty convincing to me regarding Jyms, he's pretty much just making shit up to get me lynched, why would a villager do that.

And with Ong I get a horrible feeling about everything he does, based on his actions he could be a wolf, we wanted to lynch him, he then fake outs, we agree to let him live just to see proof of his out, he can't provide it, yet he still lives. That is fucking terrible policy for the village. Basically any wolf who gets found will fake out and survive. So we should lynch him just to find out what he is as he is def suspicious and to ensure that outing like that isn't a viable wolf strategy.

[BankItDrew]

I mean this is actually quite funny. Hey jyms, what are you doing here? Claiming wolf?

Hey guys, arrooooo and shit, I'm a wolf.... and so is jyms who is just trying to grab villager cred by jumping on me


mwaaaahahahaha

I retract the arrrooo by the way, I'm just a stupid villager.

...

I remember arrooooo'ing two games ago when I was a wolf with ong and he loved it.

[BankItDrew]

rescind

Lynch jyms

[BankItDrew]

Any other villagers wanna jump on this and see if we're right?

[BankItDrew]

After a very good review of the thread, I've come up with a few seemingly lock villagers and only one, third wolf, that stands out:

JKDS

[Luco]

I'd like to see more from luco and hoopy. Those guys are loosing their village cred by not participating.

*losing, don't make me loose my shit

Reading through now but jyms >>>>>>>>> ong based on action so far, I still think there's no way wolf ong would come out of the gates that hard on D2

lynch jyms

[BankItDrew]

Such a bad play rong.

This was in response to rong jumping ship at the last minute from gator to gabe

I think it was a villager v villager lynching and rong just guessed wrong. There's no way rong does this as a wolf imo because it implicates him.

If I'm wrong about my updated reads (that I'm sticking with until proven otherwise), I'm so going doen as the LVP.

[BankItDrew]

don't make me loose my shit

lynch jyms

Wp sir

[BankItDrew]

Rong's switch is only incriminating if I am a wolf, which I am not.

This was in response to JKDS saying that rongs switch was incriminating and that he wanted both players gone.

I side with gator here.

[rong]

Just look at the heat I've brought myself from that switch. It would be retarded if I was a wolf, even if gator was one too. I played a early part in getting him nearly lynched so would have gained villager points if he flipped wolf. I'm never a wolf here.

[BankItDrew]

well jyms > daven based on those who voted for daven with me

lynch jyms

This is when the vote was 4-4 vs daven...

[BankItDrew]

rescind

Lunch jyms

I prefer jyms to Daven

Rong... Am I getting the rope-a-dope?

[BankItDrew]

I'm starting to think you and ong are on the same team... More likely village than wolf team I should add.

[Luco]

Gator could still be wolfin but his wagon sat there at the end with no action and no panic and that bothers me

jyms' wagon also sat there for a bit but he saved himself with his final vote iirc. I put in the final on daven but they were at 5-5(?) before jyms vote, checking this now

BID is super villager because he said 'YES!' right before gabe flipped town

Rong you're fucking smart as a wolf, if it was anyone but you who did that switch they'd be lock villager but occam tells me you're still town here most of the time.

JKDS wolfin would explain some including keith's death and why this game feels hard, also he was absent from yesterday's action

[Luco]

Yup, 5-5 then jyms saved himself

[BankItDrew]

Jkds

You're jyms lynch is wasted. What's your thoughts on Gabe and gator.

It's important to note that JKDS never replied to this post.

[BankItDrew]

I was just about to post that I think luco is lock villager. I've never read so much WW in one evening and I feel like I'm pwning this shit!

[BankItDrew]

BID is super villager because he said 'YES!' right before gabe flipped town

I was just excited that my gabe train picked up so much steam. I feel stupid about it now though.

[Luco]

I love this interchange between jkds and gabe:

I think JV and Jyms are wolves, therefore I voted them. I dont see whats hard to understand here.

This is going to be one of those games. Im not hand holding again, that ship sailed. But cmoooooooooooooooooooooon, we arent learning anything from anybody by just tossing votes to potential unknowns. No matter if ong is right or wrong, I learn jack about you because you didnt vote jyms/jv for a real reason.

Cute. If you'd like to discuss why I think JV is wolfy, I'm here.

Where gabe repeats back what jkds said to jyms earlier, word for word.

He never did say why he thought JV was wolfy. JKDS, why say 'I'll say why he's wolfy'? Why didn't you just, you know, say why he was wolfy?

[BankItDrew]

I love this exchange

Fyp

[Luco]

Oh yeah, lol

[Luco]

I am going to start reviewing people and posting my thoughts, starting with Bigred.

He has had minimal impact to the game and provided no insight. If he is a villager this could be bad when it comes to him helping figure out who the wolves are. If he is a wolf we won't be able to tie him to anybody so he is probably not our best bet for today, but how much longer can we keep him alive if he isn't helping out.

1/ Pretty sure I explained a link to jyms earlier

2/ The time for lynching inactives / distractions etc has passed. There's just no time left. We lynch our most likely wolf tonight unless there's one person who's death will line up all the ducks in a row and I don't know if there is one

3/ He did actually put in the effort last time at endgame

[GatorJH]

3/ He did actually put in the effort last time at endgame

Then he needs to start right now. I have asked him to clarify a couple of his posts. Have you seen a reply from him? I sure haven't.

[GatorJH]

So is he disinterested villager or wolf trying to look like bigred playing the disinterested villager role?

[GatorJH]

BTW, I am certainly not ready to blindly jump on a bandwagon Drew starts.

[Hoopy]

Making a few assumptions I've got these guys as villagers.

ong
rong
bid

And this lot as wolfy.

jkds
jums
bigred

Gator and Luco fall into the unknown category.

[OngBonga]

Ok so now drew is looking like a villager. I'm happy that jkds, gator and luco are villagers.

That leaves bigred hoopy jyms and rong. That's where the wolves are.

[OngBonga]

Gator and Luco fall into the unknown category.

This is a wolf who doesn't want to accept that gator and luco are villagers.

lynch hoopy

[OngBonga]

And JKDS wolf? Why?

[Hoopy]

Day 1 was dominated by Ong's antics, same on day 2.

Day 3 is centering around rong.

This gives the wolves plenty of space to coast along.

[Hoopy]

This is a wolf who doesn't want to accept that gator and luco are villagers.

lynch hoopy

Luco maybe if we assume the PM thing is legit, why is Gator a villager though?

[OngBonga]

If gator is a wolf, so is rong. Gator pulled up a long post of rong's and claimed it gives rong villager points. I don't see why gator as a wolf would be looking for reasons for dan to be a villager unless both are wolves, and both being wolves doesn't make much sense unless they thought I would be an easy lynch today. But gator has not really been pushing for my lynch today, he seems to me to have been trying to determine if I'm a good lynch or not. A wolf would just be happy to see me pick up votes.

I'm still happy with luco's attack on me earlier.

And I'd really like an explanation as to why JKDS is wolfy.

[jyms]

There is no way me and Ong are wolves, and you need to see how there is no way I am tied to anyone here. If I flip wolf you guys are as lost as before. Fuck, wave something shiney in BID's eyes and he flips like one of bigreds cat gifs. I'm not worried because you guys will be on someone else in 10 posts

[Hoopy]

And JKDS wolf? Why?

Way less posts than normal, both days he kept his vote on jyms instead of switching to one of the relevant wagons. But he's not put much pressure on jyms throughout the game. Lack of followup as luco said above.

A team of JKDS/bigred/jyms would make a lot of sense.

[OngBonga]

If JKDS was a wolf then there would be at least one wolf considered outright cleared villager by now. I think JKDS is a lock villager for the same reason that I can clear myself as villager. The wolves are not experienced in this format.

It's funny, the number of times I've seen wuf saying that killing a wolf early is often bad news for the village, I'm starting to see it. We're in a mess because we haven't got a wolf yet, right? Well it just means that the wolves have less places to hide, and they start to show their motives when they start ignoring why certain people are villagers, and instead try to ensure that they remain lynchable.

That's why I think hoopy is a wolf. He doesn't want gator, rong and jkds to be considered likely villagers.

[OngBonga]

He doesn't want gator, rong and jkds to be considered likely villagers.

That should read gator, luco and jkds.