Double Day Unlimited Werewolf

[OngBonga]

But wolf JKDS would be cognizant that his fellow wolf was number one on the list. Honestly this adds more credence to me than when you posted the OP list and quickly followed it with "Poor Luco at the top". You are purposefully calling out that you know Luco was at the top while JKDS didn't seem to care.

It's hard to know if you've got a point or not. I mean I'm a villager, and JKDS did it different to me. From you're pov, yes I can totally see where you're coming from. But from mine, my comment was casual and funny in retropsect. If JKDS is the wolf, he'll have seen a villager make a comment already about luco being top of the list. I think it's null, but actually from your pov maybe it means something.

[OngBonga]

The fact baudib is sitting there loving the idea that I'm not immeidtaly giving jkds more v points for gator's point when I already think jkds a villager, that's very amusing. baudib is really hoping I make myself lynchable by saying something stupid. Now why would he want that?

[OngBonga]

Whoever killed drew, it was a great kill.

[OngBonga]

It's very fishy in fact. It's not like jkds to not give a shit. I've made a decision which one I prefer to see die. Most others seem to too. Why hasn't JKDS?

Oh yeah there was this right before night. I forgot about this. There was reason for me to not like JKDS.

I still think he needs to address this. I mean he seemed to not give a shit which of rascal or mojo died. I gave a shit, even though baudib was my preferred lynch. I can ignore this from a lot of the player list, but not JKDS.

[GatorJH]

The fact baudib is sitting there loving the idea that I'm not immeidtaly giving jkds more v points for gator's point when I already think jkds a villager, that's very amusing. baudib is really hoping I make myself lynchable by saying something stupid. Now why would he want that?

maybe because he isn't convinced you are a villager?

[OngBonga]

maybe because he isn't convinced you are a villager?

No, but he *thinks* I'm a villager. Why would a villager want one of his villager reads to become lynchable? Doesn't that make life more difficult? I kinda like have village reads, because it gives me a smaller hunting pool. I don't like it when villager reads of mine do something wolfy. He seems gloaty that you've found something that could put the focus on me, rather than concerned about how this changes his outlook of the game.

I'm trying to get into his villager head here, and failing. I conclude that's because he doesn't have his villager head on.

[OngBonga]

gabe - probably villager
Gator - strong village lean
Ong - owning it
JKDS - probably villager
lilrascal - null
baudib - wolfiest

This is between rascal and baudib.

[baudib]

Why does that bug you? His initial list had 4 then he quickly rescinded one of them leaving 3.

Once Luco flipped wolf I was wondering how awesome it would be to have soul read both he and mmm in that one post. It's normal thinking imho.

yes, once Luco flipped wolf. you weren't making a big song and dance about it "hey guys look I might have bolded the wolf!" beforehand.

that's the difference.

[baudib]

No, but he *thinks* I'm a villager. Why would a villager want one of his villager reads to become lynchable? Doesn't that make life more difficult? I kinda like have village reads, because it gives me a smaller hunting pool. I don't like it when villager reads of mine do something wolfy. He seems gloaty that you've found something that could put the focus on me, rather than concerned about how this changes his outlook of the game.

I'm trying to get into his villager head here, and failing. I conclude that's because he doesn't have his villager head on.

Ong you've put the focus on yourself by yourself. I was ready to say you should never be lynched but your tone and awkward sentence structure betray you.

I'm trying to get into his villager head here, and failing. I conclude that's because he doesn't have his villager head on.

who the fuck talks like this?

rescind Rascal
lynch Ong

[baudib]

.

So anyway, we have Ongwolf properly tarped. If Ong tries to make a case against someone other than me today, I suggest we burn him with fire immediately.

Oh yeah there was this right before night. I forgot about this. There was reason for me to not like JKDS.

I still think he needs to address this. I mean he seemed to not give a shit which of rascal or mojo died. I gave a shit, even though baudib was my preferred lynch. I can ignore this from a lot of the player list, but not JKDS.

[baudib]

That is the wolfiest of soft pushes Ong.

[OngBonga]

So I make a comment about JKDS being fishy before night, and then next day before I remember to go back to it, you say if I push at anyone else but you I'm wolfy. Whether villager or wolf, you would surely anticipate me pressing JKDS at some point today, only as villager you would understand that it's something I would do as either alignment. As wolf, you're desperately looking for reasons to "suspect" people.

You're giving me no reason to think I'm wrong.

[GatorJH]

where the hell is everybody else? We aren't going to win this by letting Ong and Baudib make 99% of the posts.

[OngBonga]

So anyway, we have Ongwolf properly tarped. If Ong tries to make a case against someone other than me today, I suggest we burn him with fire immediately.

baudib knew full well I would come back to JKDS at some point today when he said this.

[OngBonga]

where the hell is everybody else? We aren't going to win this by letting Ong and Baudib make 99% of the posts.

Sure we will. He's the wolf, so we kill him next. If I'm wrong, well I pull my head out of my arse, but the problem of me and baudib dominating is solved.

[OngBonga]

gabe - probably villager
Gator - strong village lean
Ong - owning it
JKDS - probably villager
lilrascal - null
baudib - wolfiest

This is between rascal and baudib.

Allow me to elaborate on this.

gabe - a capable wolf and certainly capable of killing drew, an obvious but low profile villager, to keep the number of more "obvious" night kills, such as himself, alive. But gabe has felt genuinely villager and game solvey. His vote for luco was at the same time as rascal, for saying they would be inactive. His next post five minutes later includeds analytical votes for gator and jkds. A solid villager thought process, or expert wolfing. I'm heavily leaning the former. There's plenty of other good signs with gabe, and no bad signs other than paranoia.

gator - my paranoia has pretty much gone since he told me to shut the fuck up about baudib. It just suits him too much as a wolf to let it happen, especially given he was positioning himself to join the baudib wagon by agreeing with my intial points. This is the strongest I've read gator as villager, and strangely I'm not nervous about it.

jkds - I like the way he's been with me. jkds knows how to read me and knows the right questions to ask to get better reads on me. This is what it feels is going on, his thought process corresponds precisely to how I'd expect him as villager to handle me. But I don't like the fact he had votes on both the wagons who tied. Unfortunately it's too easy to just say he was busy, and he probably was. It just sucks.

rascal - I've seen a few hints of town, and I feel better about him than baudib, but he's easily my weakest town read. That's pure lack of experience with him.

baudib - your mom

[OngBonga]

where the hell is everybody else? We aren't going to win this by letting Ong and Baudib make 99% of the posts.

That reads list was mostly for you gator. I get that it's annoying when me and baudib do this, but it's really hard for me to look elsewhere when I'm reading everyone else as town. I mean I can deal with a rascal lynch, but it doesn't solve the ong-baudib problem unless rascal is actually the wolf. If we lynch rascal and he's villager, then baudib has to go. Or I do, which is stupid because surely baudib is a million times wolfier than I am.

[GatorJH]

Well crap. I am back to square 1 because I totally missed that this was his only post of day 1. It is totally feasible that with Luco not being able to participate that he apologized to his fellow wolf and they devised the "lynch me day 1 and gain major villager cred" strategy.

When I look at it this way Luco's name on JKDS' list doesn't make that much sense. I can see him putting myself, Gabe and Baudib there, but why Luco? And if he knew Luco wasn't going to be around to defend himself it makes it easy to find reasons to unbold the others and not look suspicious. JKDS is certainly good enough of a wolf to pull this off.

It also potentially validates him not posting so villagers wouldn't have anything else to go on (even though he could have left some fake bread crumbs).

I guess I need to look deeper at JKDS' posts.

[GatorJH]

rescind all (cuz easier to read)

lynch
Luco
gabe
Gator
baudib

Special note: I took MMM off the list because I dont think wolf mmm goes absent as often as villager mmm does.

JKDS, how did you come up with these 4 names to start with?

[GatorJH]

I think gator's posts at that time were typical methodical gator, designed to be pro-town and easy to replicate. gator defines null like no other. I think the key to reading gator is to try to get into his villager head, because trying to get into his wolf head is futile.

He says I'm a villager. He then says baudib and mojo are villagers. I ask why he thinks baudib villager, and he suggests I'm locking on while the tone of his post suggests I'm suspicious. So despite him initially thinking I'm villager, and me doing my usual thing, he then casts doubt at me when I refuse to stop pressing him. His change of tune regarding me is a reaction to me pressing him, when he should expect me to do exactly that regardless of my alignment. gator isn't thinking "ongies gonna ong", he's thinking "shut up ong".

Granted, I'm having to make some assumptions here about how gator thinks when he's a villager, but I honestly think that will be a more fruitful exercise than making assumptions about how he thinks when he's a wolf.

Huge villager points for Ong as this is REALLY good analysis.

[GatorJH]

i think your ong vote is definitely worse than random. a few posts before ong gave a reason to clear me, i thought he was doing a very good job explaining himself and seeming like a villager. i feel good about not going after him at all for now and i felt this way before i noticed him defending me

lynch rascal
lynch luco

i'm going to keep these on for saying they would be inactive

This is where Gabe votes for Luco. If they had discussed him bussing Luco I would expect Luco to be first on the list. That is not 100% though because this did give Luco 3 votes and since he was also first to two it would take a massive push for him to not get lynched. I still think it is more villager than wolf though.

[GatorJH]

Oh, and

rescind gabe

I am not sure wolf JKDS would bother rescinding a worthless vote this late in the day.

[gabe]

ong and baudib, i stopped reading posts where you guys talk about each other. its crazy how you 2 cant help but go after eachother. madness. every game. and you guys even know that you do it, but neither of you try to buck the trend

i dont have any great bit of evidence for either of the suspects but i wont be voting for anyone else...
lynch rascal
lynch jkds

[GatorJH]

I am not sure what to make of this post......

9 players, two lynches today, one probable night kill. That's six tomorrow, with two more lynches, and another nom, taking us to final three on d3, assuming no kills are blocked, or crazy vig etc.

We don't have the luxury of a standard d1 lynch to ease ourselves in, we're right in the thick of it already.

I'll say this out loud too... if I were vig, I probably wouldn't be shooting until a kill is blocked.

.....as it comes on the same day as this one, which implies Ong had looked at the game makeup and should have known that there are no vigs or seers this game?

I didn't actually notice that hoopy had clearly stated two wolves, I was just defaulting to two wolves due to game size.

I mean it's unlikely jkds would bother to play dumb about wolf team size when it's already out there.

rescind jkds

Was this an attempt at a derp clear after we had discussed the JKDS derpish comment?

[OngBonga]

It's baudib's fault for being a wolf.

[OngBonga]

gator I still don't actually know where it says there's no specials, I kinda just assumed so because there's only two role pm's that hoopy posted, someone said it was a vanilla game, and I assume so on balance too, but certainly at the time I was considering the possibility there were specials, and I didn't want to hint otherwise because then I'm obviously not a special.

[GatorJH]

I like ong now.

Lynch Rascal
Lynch Gabe

Rascal hasnt cleared himself, and gabes way too eager to lynch people that lynched a wolf and not eager enough in clearing people based on it.

I don't like this post from JKDS. He does the same thing Gabe did in that he gives himself credit for being on the Luco bandwagon, but then votes for someone else who was on the wagon. This is another area where I think JKDS is more wolfy than Gabe even though they did the same thing.

[GatorJH]

gator I still don't actually know where it says there's no specials, I kinda just assumed so because there's only two role pm's that hoopy posted, someone said it was a vanilla game, and I assume so on balance too, but certainly at the time I was considering the possibility there were specials, and I didn't want to hint otherwise because then I'm obviously not a special.

I can live with this. Thanks.

[GatorJH]

let's say we lynch me and then Gator and Ong get nommed

that leaves BID, MMM, JKDS, Rascal and Gabe.

I suggest you lynch Gabe at F5 because if he's a villager, paranoia will get him lynched at F3.

JKDS will probably own you guys if he's the wolf.

MMM probably loses if he's a wolf.

This is probably the most honest derp clear as I think the wolves would have clarified that they only get one kill per night.

[baudib]

Gator, in the interest of due diligence can you explain why you voted for Luco, and how you connected him to MMM?

I didn't vote for Luco because I thought he would make a better showing than 1 slank cover post as a wolf.

Also I thought MMM was legitimately wolfy and making weird convoluted posts.

[GatorJH]

Sounds like a ton of BS to me.

Know why?

Cuz GABE was also in my list of three. Gabe who hadnt even posted yet. Luco at least posted once.

So you see my list, and immediately think "NO WAY, NO CREDIT FOR LUCO"....but you dont say the same thing about gabe, you dont even think about gabe, and the reasoning applies even better to gabe.

You had luco on the brain baudib. Hes your wolf bro

If your list was made up of inactives why were Baudib and I on it?

[GatorJH]

Guys I would never say "hehe" as a wolf. Maybe I'll get a chance next game though...

This is pure gold.

[baudib]

MEh, this is going to be Rascal so often ... I'm just gonna wait till he posts.

[GatorJH]

Gator, in the interest of due diligence can you explain why you voted for Luco, and how you connected him to MMM?

I didn't vote for Luco because I thought he would make a better showing than 1 slank cover post as a wolf.

Also I thought MMM was legitimately wolfy and making weird convoluted posts.

When I read MMM's post where he voted for (I think you) while you, Luco and I were all tied it just looked VERY wolfish to me so I voted for both of them at the same time. When Luco flipped wolf I got blinded to my thought process and stuck with mmm the next day. I actually wanted mmm lynched day 1 and not Luco because of that comment.

[baudib]

fair enough. i'm pretty sure you're never a wolf here.

[GatorJH]

Both gabe and baudib have stated that I am not a solid villager in their eyes. If I get nommed, which I predict will happen, look at them.

This is gold for wolf JKDS to point to in future games, but IIRC Drew spent as much time pointing a finger at JKDS as he did these two.

[GatorJH]

It's very fishy in fact. It's not like jkds to not give a shit. I've made a decision which one I prefer to see die. Most others seem to too. Why hasn't JKDS?

EXACTLY!!!

[GatorJH]

I meant to MQ the last quote with this one.

jkds voting for both at this stage is kinda fishy.

[OngBonga]

I've just glanced through rascal's posts and I see nothing that alarms me. Village lean, but not strong.

I can only really see this being bauidb, both through wolfiness and poe.

[GatorJH]

lynch jkds

Ong is never a wolf.
Gabe is 75% villager imo due to style and tone. He just seems villager to me.
Rascal genuinely seems like he is busy and doesn't look as wolfish as I thought so I put him at 60%.
BID doesn't stand out one way or the other either so I will also put him at 50/50.
Baudib says some good and some bad but if JKDS isn't the wolf I think he would be so let's say 40%

Who wants to join me?

[OngBonga]

Not really.

[OngBonga]

I mean all I got on him is that double vote to close out the day, but that's easy for a villager to do too.

[GatorJH]

I've just glanced through rascal's posts and I see nothing that alarms me. Village lean, but not strong.

I can only really see this being bauidb, both through wolfiness and poe.

Take a look at JKDS as if he were a wolf and see if anything he says changes your mind. It didn't with me.

[JKDS]

Morning

Lets talk night kills. Imo, it was between Gabe, ong, and BID. Each had strong reasons to be a villager, and each was near cleared by the entire village. So why BID? 1) Theres the "oh noes, gabe is still alive...must be a wolf...." line. 2) BID is on the right track. 3) Gabe/ong are on the wrong track, or (and this is most likely imo) 4) its the "I would never kill BID, therefore im a villager" line.

Theres also second level stuff to make it look like one of those reasons. Thats way too fps tho.

I think BID was killed so the wolf could say he'd never make the kill. Which means its baudib, and I got tricked off of my read for like the billionth time this year.

Even if im wrong, its never gabe/ong, and its gator only 1% of the time. So long as you three trust each other then we never lose.

Lynch Baudib
Lynch Rascal

@Ong: I voted that way because the order of the lynches is largely irrelevant. Its one of MMM, Rascal, or Baudib; and we have more than enough lynches to get there.

@Gator: The Luco, Baudib, Gator, Gabe list wasnt made by choosing those 4. It was made by eliminating the other four.

[OngBonga]

BID doesn't stand out one way or the other either so I will also put him at 50/50.

haha

[OngBonga]

Take a look at JKDS as if he were a wolf and see if anything he says changes your mind. It didn't with me.

I will later, just going out.

[OngBonga]

That post from JKDS is wolfy. Why doesn't he think baudib is capable of the drew kill?

sigh

[JKDS]

If your list was made up of inactives why were Baudib and I on it?

It wasnt made up of inactives.

[JKDS]

That post from JKDS is wolfy. Why doesn't he think baudib is capable of the drew kill?

sigh

I said the exact opposite.

[GatorJH]

Even if im wrong, its never gabe/ong, and its gator only 1% of the time. So long as you three trust each other then we never lose.

I did some quick math and this is true. Assume we lynch baud and rascal today. That leaves Ong,Gabe, Gator, JKDS and Drew. One of Gator,Ong, Gabe gets lynched. Let's say Gator. That leaves Ong, Gabe, JKDS and Drew. As long as the wolf is one of JKDS and Drew the game is over.

Wolf JKDS would never say this unless he was HIGHLY confident he could swing toward one of us three the second half of the last day.

rescind JKDS
lynch baudib

[gabe]

Morning

Lets talk night kills. Imo, it was between Gabe, ong, and BID. Each had strong reasons to be a villager, and each was near cleared by the entire village. So why BID? 1) Theres the "oh noes, gabe is still alive...must be a wolf...." line. 2) BID is on the right track. 3) Gabe/ong are on the wrong track, or (and this is most likely imo) 4) its the "I would never kill BID, therefore im a villager" line.

Theres also second level stuff to make it look like one of those reasons. Thats way too fps tho.

I think BID was killed so the wolf could say he'd never make the kill. Which means its baudib, and I got tricked off of my read for like the billionth time this year.

Even if im wrong, its never gabe/ong, and its gator only 1% of the time. So long as you three trust each other then we never lose.

Lynch Baudib
Lynch Rascal

@Ong: I voted that way because the order of the lynches is largely irrelevant. Its one of MMM, Rascal, or Baudib; and we have more than enough lynches to get there.

@Gator: The Luco, Baudib, Gator, Gabe list wasnt made by choosing those 4. It was made by eliminating the other four.

[JKDS]

I was like

"Wtf, Gator still thinks drew is alive? BS he just quoted a post talking about his death"

Then I was like

"Oh, he just mixed up drew and baudib's names when making that list. Ok then".

[baudib]

I think JKDS is a villager, I'm not voting him.

[gabe]

i trust gator and ong so yea

rescind whatever
bold the thing
win

[baudib]

I mean I kinda really wanted JKDS to be the wolf because that thing about Luco really stuck out to me, but he just really feels like a villager.

The closest thing I've seen to him wolfing is when he was Loki in the game I modded, and even as a wolf-hunting neutral he had wolfy tone a lot. I really just think it's a villager.

I mean I'm pretty much insulted that anyone would think I'd be stupid enough to not kill the best villagers but whatever. It'll take you 5 mins to check the wolf chat from the game I was a wolf with Keith and Gator to give you insight into how I choose kills.

That leaves Ong with making by far, like a majority, of the wolfy posts in this game. There's literally nothing in any of the posts he makes about me that make any sense, and villager Ong usually makes some sense some of the time.

He went from saying he was sure I was going to nom him (I probably would, tbh) to saying that I had to be the wolf because I kept him alive.

I mean it's probably just Rascal, but if the game doesn't end today then grill Ong thoroughly.

[GatorJH]

I was like

"Wtf, Gator still thinks drew is alive? BS he just quoted a post talking about his death"

Then I was like

"Oh, he just mixed up drew and baudib's names when making that list. Ok then".

Actually, for that brief moment I did forget about the BID nom. For some reason I had it in my head that there were 7 of us left.

[gabe]

I mean I'm pretty much insulted that anyone would think I'd be stupid enough to not kill the best villagers but whatever.

yea but its probably a mistake to 100% always kill the best in spots like these. sometimes you gotta leave the best villagers alive, because they will surmise that you couldnt have the been the wolf (because like you said, you think its stupid, the best players will deduce you think its stupid, etc), then they can convince the rest of the village that its impossible for you to be a wolf!!

i love werewolf

[baudib]

yea but its probably a mistake to 100% always kill the best in spots like these. sometimes you gotta leave the best villagers alive, because they will surmise that you couldnt have the been the wolf (because like you said, you think its stupid, the best players will deduce you think its stupid, etc), then they can convince the rest of the village that its impossible for you to be a wolf!!

i love werewolf

one day we'll get to be wolves together and we can talk about this in depth but the nightkill is really the only part of the game that wolves control. you can't really control the lynches, you can't control what villagers will think about the nightkill. The time Ong nommed Luco in the ghost angel game is one of the rare times I've seen a FPS nom work out for the wolves.

there's just clear value in choosing to kill the best player, and no offense to Drew, who is a pretty decent villager when he's active and focused on the game, but even when he's ~ lock clear he's not going to be a good kill in this lineup.

This also, I think, points to Rascal, because JKDS pretty much knows this, I don't think Rascal realizes how tough it would be to get through an endgame with Gator and Gabe still alive.

[baudib]

I wish for an event

I wish for ITAs

I wish for a true peek of a player of my choice

I wish for a day vig

I wish for apple pie

[baudib]

I'm looking through Rascal's posts and there's not much to see really. This is pretty weird as he questions Gator on MMM, does like one short MQ of investigation where he calls MMM's posts odd, and then later in the day apparently doesn't remember why he was voting MMM.

post 192

I'm still catching up, but why MMM?

post 241

I just got home from dinner and have to finish packing for a 2 week business trip. I'll finish catching up on the thread in the morning at the airport.

From where I stand right now I think BID and are village (I think this is the earliest I've said this about Ong), probably JKDS as well. Gator and baud I'm not sure about. Gabe, I honestly don't remember much from.

MMM looks wolfiest to me. He's seemed different this game.

Lynch MMM

post 495

You make some good points in those posts. That may have been why my vote was on him this morning.

I've got to finish rereading.

rescind all

[baudib]

"you make some good points, but let me rescind my vote on the guy you made a good point about."

[baudib]

Rascal, get in here and vote for me and say stuff.

[baudib]

actually you should say stuff before you vote for me, because after you vote it's MAJ STFU

[baudib]

everyone else, explain in 40 words or less why you're voting for me

glgl

[baudib]

To be fair to Rascal, he did say he'd be AFK a lot and he recently got lynched as seer because he couldn't defend himself.

I'm going with Ong followed by JKDS as the people with the most wolf points based on posting, Rascal is barely > rand to be a wolf.

[baudib]

yea but its probably a mistake to 100% always kill the best in spots like these. sometimes you gotta leave the best villagers alive, because they will surmise that you couldnt have the been the wolf (because like you said, you think its stupid, the best players will deduce you think its stupid, etc), then they can convince the rest of the village that its impossible for you to be a wolf!!

i love werewolf

BTW I was thinking about this and I'd say the correct analogy is raising with AA preflop. You can never be wrong by raising in any situation but occasionally there will be #raisins to not do it.

[baudib]

on a hunch that rascal's "what's the case on XXX?" was a wolf tell (it's really perfect cover for an AFKish wolf) I went back and checked the May game thread, but he was doing a lot of that there too, as seer.

So there's very very little pointing to Rascal being a wolf really. I think I'll just stay on Ong.

glgl

[baudib]

in b4 Rascal comes in howling obv

[baudib]

wait i remembered something.


lynch JKDS

[baudib]

Drew has actually proven to be pretty good at reading Ong, for him to get nommed he must have been right on a few things.

[baudib]

RASCAL

If you actually got in here and posted I could probably clear you within 90% certainty if you're a villager. come on man.

[lilrascal]

I just got back to the hotel. Going to catch up on the thread now.

[lilrascal]

I mean, LOL?

Drew was playing fine and was a pretty obvious villager but that's a godawful kill.

Someone's named popped into my head instantly when I saw it and I can't even explain why.

Level 1, Drew most wanted to lynch Rascal, so Rascal getting rid of Drew makes sense.

If Rascal makes this kill he can then point to, "Why is Gabe (Ong, Gator, JKDS) still alive?"

In a weird way, tell me if this is crazy, I think this clears the Luco voters. I mean, killing a Luco voter would be wolfing 101, but if the wolf bussed, I think he'd be even more likely to kill a fellow Luco voter, to drive home the idea that those voters were clean.

The wolf REALLY wanted BID dead.

I kind of follow what you're saying about the Luco voters.

I can see a couple of scenarios for possible bussing.
1 - Getting on early and then the wagon picking up steam and it looking bad to get off.
2 - Getting on late to get villa cred.

But, neither of those scenarios make sense with the BID NK.

I need to go back and ISO BID to see if anything stands out. He only had a single final vote each day, D1 for baudib and D2 for me.

[baudib]

I think the BID kill is actually the strongest item pointing to you being a wolf.

it's maybe the only factor really.

[baudib]

Morning

Lets talk night kills. Imo, it was between Gabe, ong, and BID. Each had strong reasons to be a villager, and each was near cleared by the entire village. So why BID? 1) Theres the "oh noes, gabe is still alive...must be a wolf...." line. 2) BID is on the right track. 3) Gabe/ong are on the wrong track, or (and this is most likely imo) 4) its the "I would never kill BID, therefore im a villager" line.

Theres also second level stuff to make it look like one of those reasons. Thats way too fps tho.

I think BID was killed so the wolf could say he'd never make the kill. Which means its baudib, and I got tricked off of my read for like the billionth time this year.

Even if im wrong, its never gabe/ong, and its gator only 1% of the time. So long as you three trust each other then we never lose.

Lynch Baudib
Lynch Rascal

@Ong: I voted that way because the order of the lynches is largely irrelevant. Its one of MMM, Rascal, or Baudib; and we have more than enough lynches to get there.

@Gator: The Luco, Baudib, Gator, Gabe list wasnt made by choosing those 4. It was made by eliminating the other four.

looking at this post, "you three" is kinda odd when he's talking about a presumed group of villagers.