Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[Hoopy]

Vote count

Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, Bankitdrew)
BankItDrew 4 (Hifi, OngBonga, lilrascal,Boog)
Aubreymcfate 3 (Beck, ProbablyNotAWolf, Kami)
a500lbgorilla 2 (Luco, TopTierTom)
ShipItUp 2 (gabe, Nightgizmo)
TopTierTom 1 (ShipItUp)
Wufwugy 1 (Rilla)

not voting: MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, Bigred, JKDS

[Beck Novo]

@Luco, why rilla?

[Luco]

@Luco, why rilla?

Youve asked a few people this but not many have responded.

Rilla is an iron nosed puzzle solver with the bearing heart of a villager. I basically said it earlier, this is either his below average v game or his above average w game and im leaning the latter

[BooG690]

Solved the game, guys. Kami is iopq.

[Luco]

*beating

Lol phone

[BankItDrew]

Okay, last post for me today.

If I die before D2 again, look at those on my wagon.

D2? I hardly knew ya.

FWIW, my reads on the top wagons:

kami is wolfy
aubrey is villagery
rilla looks good
shipitup I have no recollection of

[a500lbgorilla]

Youve asked a few people this but not many have responded.

Rilla is an iron nosed puzzle solver with the bearing heart of a villager. I basically said it earlier, this is either his below average v game or his above average w game and im leaning the latter

You're gonna learn that you can't read me, Luco.

[Luco]

You're gonna learn that you can't read me, Luco.

Im ready and willing to reverse my read rilla

[a500lbgorilla]

Anyone agree with this right now?

I think I get where he's coming from.

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch shipitup

[Kami]

Lynch me over ship tbh cause I don't wanna play without him either way

[baudib]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT


THERE WILL BE AIDS



This mod is American, and on Day 2 we will be practicing the most cherished and sacred of American traditions:
Handing out guns to everyone for no reason whatsoever!

There will be two 1-hour ITA sessions:
1st ITA session will be noon Thursday
2nd ITA session will be 6 p.m. Thursday

You may only shoot in one session, so schedule your whole day accordingly!

[SuperMonkeyFace]

This is lazy imo

It was a question?

It would be nice to know for meta reasons.. How is that lazy?

[Kami]

Baudib hul

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Kami needs to stop posting for shipitup. If he can't post then let him feel the wrath. I honestly wish that you never speak for each other again unless you discussed it in this thread

[NightGizmo]

baudib -- timezone for ITAs?

[baudib]

baudib -- timezone for ITAs?

all times are EST.

[Beck Novo]

Looks like I won't be shooting until the latter session.

So please save me a wolf.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Ship and Kami get poisoned

Does anyone save them?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Has nothing to do with them holding each others lollipop but just lack of caring or interest in playing

[OngBonga]

When's deadline?

[OngBonga]

9 hours 44 mins to EOD

This is timestamped 5.16pm in my time zone, so that takes us to 3am, which is 5 hrs 5 mins from now.

[Beck Novo]

This is timestamped 5.16pm in my time zone, so that takes us to 3am, which is 5 hrs 5 mins from now.

Yes, that's correct. This phase will end at 10:00 PM EST.

[baudib]

Vote count

Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, Bankitdrew)
BankItDrew 4 (Hifi, OngBonga, lilrascal,Boog)
Aubreymcfate 3 (Beck, ProbablyNotAWolf, Kami)
ShipItUp 3 (gabe, Nightgizmo, Rilla)
a500lbgorilla 2 (Luco, TopTierTom)
TopTierTom 1 (ShipItUp)


not voting: MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, Bigred, JKDS

Day ends in 4 hours, 47 minutes

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[Beck Novo]

It was a question?

It would be nice to know for meta reasons.. How is that lazy?

You don't need meta to start assessing players' actions.

Where are you inclined to vote right now?

[Beck Novo]

If one of Kami and Aubrey is a wolf, then it's Aubrey. Kami's wagon is full of players I'm less certain of and I don't like that.

[Beck Novo]

I would also presume that at least one of those wagons is a wolf, likely Aubrey or rilla.

Both Kami and BID are bad votes, IMO.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

You don't need meta to start assessing players' actions.

Where are you inclined to vote right now?

I know that

Not sure yet. My vote is technically proxied on siu right now. I have a couple wolf reads but I don't want to share just yet. They are not easy targets and I don't feel like driving down that road right now

I got some good vibes from the thread so far and I think I've found quite a few villagers. But before I post about them I just wanna give the thread another quick once over to confirm it. I never got the chance last night as it was pretty late

[SuperMonkeyFace]

You seem to be pretty heavy on the Kami defense

Reason?

[Beck Novo]

I know that

Not sure yet. My vote is technically proxied on siu right now. I have a couple wolf reads but I don't want to share just yet. They are not easy targets and I don't feel like driving down that road right now

I got some good vibes from the thread so far and I think I've found quite a few villagers. But before I post about them I just wanna give the thread another quick once over to confirm it. I never got the chance last night as it was pretty late

Fair enough, I guess. You've made some hefty promises just now so I expect you to deliver. Preferably before the phase ends.

There's really no reason for anyone to not vote today.

[Beck Novo]

You seem to be pretty heavy on the Kami defense

Reason?

I'm not trying to defend Kami. She's playing poorly and deserves to be lynched.

But I don't believe that she is the most likely to flip wolf.

Which is why I don't think she's our best lynch here. In fact, her lynch is so easy that it concerns me. It takes little thought and little contribution to place a vote against her and I don't like it. It's Kami's fault for playing this way but that doesn't make her a wolf, at least not from my perspective.

Honestly, my hope is that she's poisoned.

[bigred]

Vote count

Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, Bankitdrew)
BankItDrew 4 (Hifi, OngBonga, lilrascal,Boog)
Aubreymcfate 3 (Beck, ProbablyNotAWolf, Kami)
ShipItUp 3 (gabe, Nightgizmo, Rilla)
a500lbgorilla 2 (Luco, TopTierTom)
TopTierTom 1 (ShipItUp)


not voting: MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, Bigred, JKDS

Day ends in 4 hours, 47 minutes

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Ugh, the only non-wolfy bandwagon is on BID and his posting last few pages has me pulling the brakes on wanting to lynch him. Just reading posts has me want to lynch ShitItIp but I feel pretty confident there's a wolf in those 3.

I think I'm flipping between Aubrey and Kami. Need to go back and check Aubrey's contributions. Can't really find anything to defend Kami.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Back for the evening.

@Gizmo: I didn't mean to create a soft push on you; my work is a lot to take on at once and when I got tired at the end of last night, it hit me hard and fast. My wolfy read on you is based on the fact that I find plenty of your posts to be easy to make from a wolf perspective.

I was temporarily assuaged of that notion when you snap voted rilla in that exchange, but upon reflection, that's not incredibly villagery. If anything, your rescind when it was revealed it was a misunderstanding is somewhat villagery. Only somewhat, because I don't think too many wolves besides ong and wuf would stick to their guns when it was clear that they were out drawn - meaning that most wolves would rescind at that time, just like a villager would.

***
On quick scan, I want Kami to step up or step out for a few reasons, none of them amount to finding her wolfy.
1) Her content is minimal and when she's called out on it, she gets sulky.
2) She has used direct insults 3 times in this game.
3) She blatantly, self-admittedly relies on angle shooting as a core part of her WW strategy.

This is a real game, Kami. Please play to win or don't play. You're committing thread suicide in a way that makes villagers want to vote for you, even though they don't find you wolfy. When you cross this tipping point, there is no information to be gained because you put villagers in a spot to act like wolves. This makes it much harder to discern anything from your wagon.

***
I don't mind the aubrey lynch. She rarely plays, but her skills are not in question. I remember waiting like 2 weeks for her vote at F3 one game, but it was the right vote. She played well enough to win her last game. IIRC she was the Seer.

She's very smart and inquisitive. I have not been inspired by her in this game. That is not a bar for everyone, but aubrey "tends" to be either full on inquisitive investigator or dissertation station. Tends in quotes 'cause she only plays like once or twice a year.

***
I have plenty of time to get my spreadsheet caught up and to go over my notes before EOD.

[HiFi]

Bigred looking pretty decent.

I see lots and lots of villagers.

[bigred]

*ShipItUp but he probably deserves it

[bigred]

A question I'm not sure I can answer well,

How much has TTT and/or Beck Novo gone to align with or against different players? I can't put my finger on it but there's a whole lot of inquisition without a ton of substance behind it. Again, I could be wrong but something feels off. It might be the fact that I'm scanning pages to catch up. I see a whole lot of their avatars showing up but don't feel like I actually learned something.

[OngBonga]

Who are you and what have you done with bigred?

[Luco]

Bigred looking pretty decent.

I see lots and lots of villagers.

Any wolf leans?

[OngBonga]

Guys... if aubrey is a wolf, she's pretty much confirmed kami as villager in her first post. Why is kami a wagon now? Why don't we just lynch aubrey and if she's a wolf, leave kami to the wolves? Just because kami isn't dazzling us with brilliance, doesn't make her any less valuable from a mathematical pov.

[OngBonga]

Ok so here are aubrey's first three posts.

hey all.

Just read through everything, here's some initial thoughts:

* Regarding those who bolded/targeted Kami: Day 1 person posting flippantly is definitely going to attract at least one wolf in the group of people targeting her.

Top Tier Tom, Ong, and Wug found her wolfy bc of that initial bold and poor reasoning. Gizmo and BID seemed less convinced that she did anything wolfy, and just found her a worthy d1 lynch bc they didn't find her posts serious enough. So there are 2 camps of Kami lynching -- those who took her posting seriously enough to think she is wolfy, and those who see that she's posting like she doesn't care and find her a liability.

conclusions from above: There is definitely a wolf in that group, even if I don't find voting for her particularly wolfy in and of itself (majority of kami votes are villagers, obv). Not sure if one mode of reasoning seems wolfier than the other yet but I think it's worth keeping in mind.

* Gizmo flipping to Rilla when he thought Rilla was wolfy and back to Kami when Rilla clarified his post makes Gizmo lean more villager than the rest to me. It looks authentic.

* chuckling IRL at the rocky convo. makes lilrascal lean village for me bc of how much of a stretch it is. seems more likely for a villager to try to catch someone on some insanely subtle slip (and be so earnestly relentless about it!) but if he is a wolf, that's very clever.

I feel pretty confident that Kami is a villager. It's a big part to do with her posting style, but that's not enough -- what really seals it for me is her "lynch me more" post. She doesn't have much experience and most people see her as a liability; if this something she was capable of as a wolf strategy, someone would have said it. She seems like mislynch bait to me, so that's the angle I'm basing the rest of my thought process on. I failed to get this across clearly in the original post bc I was catching up on a lot at once and refining my thoughts as I typed.

lol chill, I misread something someone said about you.



Anyway by her admission she doesn't care and unless I find something more compelling than a kami lynch before night, I'm down for that. Should be fun to analyze after the fact.

lynch kami


(mmm, is your name tom?)

First one, she makes heavy assumptions kami is a villager, and draws conclusions based on that.

Second post, she's having to explain why she didn't feel the need to say "if kami is a villager", or words to that effect.

Third post, votes kami.

lynch aubrey

[Kami]

ong what the fook

[Kami]

but yeah aubrey is wolfy af 10/10 would lynch

[OngBonga]

ong what the fook

My conclusion is aubrey is a wolf and you're a villager. Is that a problem?

[Luco]

My conclusion is aubrey is a wolf and you're a villager. Is that a problem?

So you prefer aubrey to drew now?

[OngBonga]

So you prefer aubrey to drew now?

Marginally. Aubrey wolf flip clears kami. Aubrey doesn't look good at all. kami doesn't look good either, so it would be huge to clear her.

[Luco]

Marginally. Aubrey wolf flip clears kami. Aubrey doesn't look good at all. kami doesn't look good either, so it would be huge to clear her.

So you think aubrey looks worse than drew?

[Kami]

My conclusion is aubrey is a wolf and you're a villager. Is that a problem?

just confused considering u seemed confident in ur wrong read

[OngBonga]

So you think aubrey looks worse than drew?

Worse? idk, they both look bad to me, I see both of them saying things that appear to come from a wolf mindset. I just feel there's more to gain from an aubrey lynch.

[OngBonga]

just confused considering u seemed confident in ur wrong read

What wrong read? That aubrey is a wolf? Or that you're a villager?

[OngBonga]

Oh that read about you voting for people who look like town to me. Even I'll admit that's a thin read kami. It was good enough on page 2 or whatever, but it's not good enough now, compared to aubrey and drew.

[Kami]

What wrong read? That aubrey is a wolf? Or that you're a villager?

u cant be this dense bruh

i meant u thinking im a wolf

[OngBonga]

u cant be this dense bruh

i meant u thinking im a wolf

I'm not dense, I'm a stoner. Big difference.

Big.

[wufwugy]

lol four whole new pages

i'll see you guys in an hour

[OngBonga]

Oh that read about you voting for people who look like town to me. Even I'll admit that's a thin read kami. It was good enough on page 2 or whatever, but it's not good enough now, compared to aubrey and drew.

^ in case you missed where the penny dropped bub

[Luco]

Worse? idk, they both look bad to me, I see both of them saying things that appear to come from a wolf mindset. I just feel there's more to gain from an aubrey lynch.

I don't like this reply. Don't think I've ever had two wolf leans without a favourite between them

[OngBonga]

I don't like this reply. Don't think I've ever had two wolf leans without a favourite between them

Ok, how about this... I'm torn between my ego and my duty to the village. I'd like drew dead so I can find out if I'm right. But I feel aubrey is the optimal lynch.

[Kami]

HUL OKAY

[Luco]

Ok, how about this... I'm torn between my ego and my duty to the village. I'd like drew dead so I can find out if I'm right. But I feel aubrey is the optimal lynch.

that's better

[ShipItUp]

Lol I'm a wagon

[ShipItUp]

Do you guys really think my 6 posts of non content weren't sufficient?

[ShipItUp]

Kami n0

Aubrey

glgl

[Top Tier Tom]

Lynch Aubrey

Less happened this evening than I'd expect

[ShipItUp]

Lynch me over ship tbh cause I don't wanna play without him either way

But Kami if you're not here who am I supposed to sponge? You don't just find female werewolf players who enjoy cats every day.

[ShipItUp]

Kami needs to stop posting for shipitup. If he can't post then let him feel the wrath. I honestly wish that you never speak for each other again unless you discussed it in this thread

Kami doesn't like you talking about us like this.

[ShipItUp]

He bolded Tom in post 577:



No explanation before or after.

You may actually be the dumbest human being alive

[Top Tier Tom]

A question I'm not sure I can answer well,

How much has TTT and/or Beck Novo gone to align with or against different players? I can't put my finger on it but there's a whole lot of inquisition without a ton of substance behind it. Again, I could be wrong but something feels off. It might be the fact that I'm scanning pages to catch up. I see a whole lot of their avatars showing up but don't feel like I actually learned something.

I am being pretty passive and trying to get info out of people since I don't feel confident in this crowd of new faces and people from POG I don't know how to read anyway

But I do have some villagers if you're interested

[baudib]

THIS IS A VOTE COUNT

Aubreymcfate 6 (Beck, ProbablyNotAWolf, Kami, OngBonga, ShipItUp, TopTierTom)
Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, Bankitdrew)
BankItDrew 3 (Hifi, lilrascal,Boog)
ShipItUp 3 (gabe, Nightgizmo, Rilla)
a500lbgorilla 1 (Luco)


not voting: MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, Bigred, JKDS

Day ends in 3 hours, 30 minutes

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let me know of corrections immediately

[ShipItUp]

Ship gets town lean for sponging the bae

Bae sponge op

*happily eats bamboo*

[Luco]

So here's something that stood out to me on re-read. Remember when I called nightgizmo out for throwing shade at kami?

lynch Kami

Kami doesn't look good because she already has a bunch of posts and they are garbage. I just glanced at random pages of the last game (pages 5 and 6) and it seems like Kami's main involvement with this game was the same then -- random accusations and statements with zero evidence or reasoning, plus lots of unnecessary insulting. Granted, last game she was a wolf. But if she's a villager, does she really provide any benefit to the village?

The way this is worded is pinging me.

You've bolded her but haven't directly called her wolfy, just alluded to it. And that last sentence just smells like giving yourself an out for later.

Well every time he's talked about her since:

It's early D1 and I don't have any easy reads. I have no idea whether Kami is a wolf or not, but based on her style of play she seems like she's more of a liability to the village regardless of her team. You said it yourself later on:



So I'm wolfy when saying it but you're not? Or is it because I bolded her for that reason? If I'm going to bold someone early, it will be someone that would be a major problem to the village in later parts of the game. If I was a wolf and Kami was a villager, I'd want to keep her in the game.

Rilla -- when I first read his two posts, I had a feeling that it was wolfy -- nothing concrete, but it just kind of felt wrong. When I last played, he started playing more quiet and cryptic as a villager so he could balance that against his wolf game, so I wasn't sure of my read. So I checked last game to see if he played. As Ong pointed out, he was fairly active and did a strong job of pushing the village on D1 (as a villager). So that info strengthens my thoughts on Rilla.

Kami -- she hasn't bothered to defend herself, and based on her current posts and what I read from last game, even if she does pop in it will just be to insult anyone that bolded her and spew out nonsense. Wolfy? No clue. Liability to the village? Certainly.

Luco -- I read through his posts again, aside from calling me out for something that he later said himself, nothing concrete.

Ong -- I like his analysis and logic, although I'm not sold on the drew thing, mainly because I remember drew as being very unpredictable. Seems villagery.

Tom -- he's active, his conversation has a lot of content -- he seems the most likely to be a villager.

We still have a lot of inactives and there are bound to be some wolves in that group. The hardest thing about being a wolf is typing up content.

MMM is still absent.... I'm still waiting for his explanations on why he wanted to bold me but waited, and also why he claimed Gabe is usually has a low post count when Gabe has already posted 37 times on D1.

MMM is highest on my wolf list. Aubrey is second, but a big part of that is because she has so few posts and the few she has seem very off. I really want Kami to die regardless of her actual team, because she's useless. She could be replaced by a bot that spews nonsensical teen-speak and revenge bolds anyone that bolds her -- and nobody would be able to tell the difference. But if there is a better wolfy alternative, obviously I'll move my vote off Kami before the deadline.

Does anyone remember Crazzvette? Kami reminds me of crazzvette.

No, I had two that I felt were wolfy, but those opinions are day 1 weak. MMM I feel pretty strongly about, but with Aubrey -- it's based on her "Kami is a villager" logic, which seems very wrong. She only has 3 posts, so it's very thin.

And ShipItUp's last posts jumped him up past MMM in wolfiness, imo. He just seems so wolfy when he won't even justify his vote and even lies about providing a justification in a previous post.

And I don't feel that Kami is a wolf -- I feel that I don't know what team she is on, but that she is a liability to the villager regardless of her alignment.

He takes pains to mention that he doesn't have a read on her. It's like he's overcompensating for his first post

[baudib]

Here are some Russian cam videos to enjoy

https://youtu.be/ODrDR9D28RE

[Top Tier Tom]

He takes pains to mention that he doesn't have a read on her. It's like he's overcompensating for his first post

I like this

I've been reluctant to call Gizmo wolfy despite his style rubbing me the wrong way, I noticed he seems controlled, I called this reserved when I asked him, but he produces a lot of content so I let it go

But I have thought if he's capable of being an active wolf, he may be one

[ShipItUp]

NightGizmo

Natural selection

[Kami]

But Kami if you're not here who am I supposed to sponge? You don't just find female werewolf players who enjoy cats every day.

just sponge tom hes basically a grill

[ShipItUp]

NG wolf n0

[Kami]

oh wait ur talking about hifi lol

Lynch nightgizmo