The Wall

[BananaStand]

Don't play dumb bananananana. It's a clear manifestation of having 'legal' labour that employer's costs would rise.

I'm not playing dumb, I truly don't understand your point. It's certainly not news that criminal activity, when unpunished, will benefit the criminal perpetrators.

[Savy]

I'm not playing dumb, I truly don't understand your point. It's certainly not news that criminal activity, when unpunished, will benefit the criminal perpetrators.

Why is it criminal when it's so optimal?

[Poopadoop]

I'm not playing dumb, I truly don't understand your point. It's certainly not news that criminal activity, when unpunished, will benefit the criminal perpetrators.

Ok then well I guess you just don't understand the issue well enough then, or maybe you just prefer to focus on one side of it as it's easier to argue that way.

Illegal immigrants pick the strawberries, sweep the floors, and work other menial jobs for less than minimum wage. If they are no longer available, other people will have to do those jobs - and they will be 'official' workers with rights to a minimum wage and all the other rights legals have. This means a cost to business owners, a cost that will be passed on to consumers. That's of course assuming they can find anyone to do those jobs.

[BananaStand]

Illegal immigrants pick the strawberries, sweep the floors, and work other menial jobs for less than minimum wage. If they are no longer available, other people will have to do those jobs - and they will be 'official' workers with rights to a minimum wage and all the other rights legals have. This means a cost to business owners, a cost that will be passed on to consumers. That's of course assuming they can find anyone to do those jobs.

I reject the argument that American's don't want to do those jobs. Can you prove that?

There is no such thing as any legit industry in America that is solely supported by illegal labor. Every job you just mentioned does has legal citizens working in them. Their wages are held down because of the illegal labor. Their employers are at an unfair competitive disadvantage. And the lost tax revenue hurts everybody.

Those costs get passed on to the rest of the economy as well

[Poopadoop]

I reject the argument that American's don't want to do those jobs. Can you prove that?

Pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of people willing to do all those shit jobs illegals are doing, though obviously there's no way to prove it one way or another.

There is no such thing as any legit industry in America that is solely supported by illegal labor. Every job you just mentioned does has legal citizens working in them. Their wages are held down because of the illegal labor. Their employers are at an unfair competitive disadvantage. And the lost tax revenue hurts everybody.

Those costs get passed on to the rest of the economy as well

You make good points but in the end the costs and benefits tend to wash out. There is a benefit to employers, there is a pool of labour that wouldn't otherwise be available, and it's cheap labour. Those benefits get passed on to consumers in lower prices for goods.