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[OngBonga]

Do you prefer we have the pandemic last a few more years and a lot more deaths?

I'm not in favour of forced vaccination, and when the consequences of not vaccinating are social exclusion, then for all intents and purposes, it's forced.

We're talking about a vaccine that was rushed, which makes it experimental, and we're talking about a virus that is not dangerous to the vast majority of people. This is not plague territory. And the vaccine is not very effective. We can talk about what the statistics say, but not so long ago we were talking about how the media and govt aren't to be trusted. Why trust them when it comes to this? Fear, that's why. People are afraid, and fear is the perfect way to control people. Religion has done it for millennia.

I can say with some confidence the vaccine is ineffective because my vaxed housemate is currently isolating with confirmed covid. It was certainly ineffective for him. Sure, maybe he gets it worse without the vaccination, we can never know. And the lack of vaccination for me hasn't resulted in me getting the virus, despite the close contact. Yes I too am isolating and testing regularly. But I'm not in any hurry to vaccinate.

By saying you think that unvaccinated people should become socially excluded, not allowed to mingle with the masses, you're putting a huge amount of trust in government, media, and pharmaceutical companies. You're also stripping away the right of an individual to medical privacy.

[Poopadoop]

And the vaccine is not very effective.

Yes, it is.

We can talk about what the statistics say, but not so long ago we were talking about how the media and govt aren't to be trusted. Why trust them when it comes to this?

Because for once, what they're saying jibes with what the experts are saying.

And fwiw, a lot of the media isn't saying take the vaccine, they're saying "arrgggh, freedom!"

I can say with some confidence the vaccine is ineffective because my vaxed housemate is currently isolating with confirmed covid.

Your anecdote with n=1 obviously trumps the reams of data from around the world that the vaccine is effective.

By saying you think that unvaccinated people should become socially excluded, not allowed to mingle with the masses, you're putting a huge amount of trust in government, media, and pharmaceutical companies. You're also stripping away the right of an individual to medical privacy.

Like I said, I'm putting my trust in scientists. Just like I put my trust in engineers to build bridges I can walk or drive over without them collapsing. Just like I put my trust in my doctor when he prescribes me exercises for my bad back. This is no different to me.

And I have no idea what "medical privacy" even means. It sounds like a buzzword people made up to justify not taking a vaccine for some other reason.

[OngBonga]

And I have no idea what "medical privacy" even means. It sounds like a buzzword people made up to justify not taking a vaccine for some other reason.

If I were to invite you for dinner, would it be acceptable for me to demand you prove your AIDS status before letting you into my house?

Your health is none of my business. Your vaccination status is none of my business. These are private matters. I don't think I have any right to enquire into any aspect of your health. That's medical privacy.

[Poopadoop]

If I were to invite you for dinner, would it be acceptable for me to demand you prove your AIDS status before letting you into my house?

That depends if you're planning to shag me or not.

If I'm about to have sex with someone should I not be allowed to ask them if they have an STD?

Your health is none of my business. Your vaccination status is none of my business. These are private matters. I don't think I have any right to enquire into any aspect of your health. That's medical privacy.

It's a communicable disease. I don't care about your so-called "privacy" if you're going to spew covid germs in my face, and I don't expect anyone to care about mine either.