Quote Originally Posted by oskar
but he reasons strictly around his ideology like religious people do.
I don't think I do, I think you guys do. I suspect that if the BLM mob were merely occupying buildings, you'd be arguing that this kind of protest is acceptable. Your problem isn't that they occupied the Capitol, it's that you don't agree with their reasons for doing so.

When BLM were going crazy, my problem was with the looting and the fighting with cops. It was widespread, across the country, and not the kind of behaviour I'd want to see from the left or right. I'm pretty sure I would have said things along the lines of "if they were attacking police stations then I can at least support that" but they were hitting shops and creating misery for normal people. That isn't what happened in DC though. What happened in DC was an occupation, basically mass trespass.

but if the subject clashes with his ideology he ends up sounding like a total mong.
I'm not going to lie, I find it incredibly refreshing to see an ultra-leftie like yourself using language like "mong". You'd get cancelled for this on Twitter. Hi five.

I remember I called Trump's last days almost beat by beat. I said he wouldn't accept losing the election, and his supporters will stand by him and go crazy. Ong called me a maniac for believing that iirc.
I think we all predicted this. Only, I would have been more on the fence about it in the sense that I would have anticipated the integrity of the election being the reason it wasn't a simple transition. I certainly predicted his supporters would not react in the same way Clinton's did four years ago, it's far too early to say if that prediction is accurate or not because Clinton's supporters made noise for four fucking years. I still think that when Biden takes office, Trump's supporters will focus their attention on the next election. But maybe there's more to come. The fact that, at least from the pov of the right, the issue of election fraud is still subject to debate means it's not so easy to predict what will happen next, but I think the vast majority of people are starting to accept that Trump never had any proof, will not get any proof, and without proof there is no justification for continued protest once Biden takes office.

He says [you said BLM burning down buildings wasn't bad] (strawman) but now you say [destroying the WH and trying to overthrow government is bad] - therefore the latter is not bad.
Trying to overthrow government is not necessarily bad. To take that away from people is dangerous, and I'm surprised you guys don't see that. When it's a challenge to democracy it's a different story. If I was 100% certain Biden won fair and square, I'd find it a lot harder to justify recent events. But it's not that clear cut. If these people genuinely think democracy has been stolen from them, and they do think that, then they are justified in taking action.

They didn't try to overthrow the govt though. They walked into a building and then left before bedtime. That isn't an attempt to overthrow a government. It's an act of mass rebellion. And they didn't destroy the Capitol (not the WH). Not even close. The British had a go at that in 1814 when they set fire to it, but even that didn't destroy it. It took four years to restore it. The "damage" done to it the other day will take less time to fix than it did to break.

You see the same thing all over right wing media. They either say: those are peaceful protestors, you are crazy for saying they tried to harm anyone... If they do recognize that a coup d'etat is bad, they immediately rationalize it by saying: It was Antifa doing it!
I have deliberately avoided mentioning Antifa in this discussion, because any accusation they were involved is highly tenuous. It wouldn't surprise me, but it's not something I'm going to put forward as an argument.

They were peaceful protesters. And this wasn't a coup. I addressed that. A coup seeks to overthrow an existing government. Even if they were trying to stop Biden from taking office, that isn't a coup. But ok it's not far off, same shit different word. But I reject that as the purpose. If they wanted to stop Biden taking office, then it would have been violent, they wouldn't have been joking around, they wouldn't have given up the position they had.

I've seen worse at football matches. That isn't hyperbole.