*** Official Putin Started Shootin' Thread ***

[OngBonga]

Did the West execute civilians in those wars?

Yes. I've said it already but I personally knew someone who did exactly this. Beat a man to death with a gun, that was his way of executing a civilian. In front of his child.

I believe the mainstream media, unless there's substantial conflicting evidence from a credible source.

This is where we fundamentally differ.

If by the west you mean NATO, then yes, in the interaction between Russia and the NATO, they are trying to be the bully-stoppers, but not very effective ones.

The bully stopping the bully. I already made clear I consider NATO to simply be the military arm of USA + satellite states, so it's pretty hard to talk about NATO without it also meaning USA.

[CoccoBill]

This is where we fundamentally differ.

Yes, and I feel this is the main issue here. All reporting has some kind of editorial bias, either political partisanship or more commonly sensationalism. There are still actual news organizations that at least try to neutrally report current events (AP and Reuters come to mind), and then there are those that try to interpret those events through their own lenses. The first group is who I trust, since even though they too do make mistakes, they're actually trying to be journalists and have some integrity. They're still the best data source out there.

The second group is most of the rest of the news media, with varying degrees of bias. This doesn't mean they're outright lies, but the bias shows in their reporting. If you're aware of the bias, a lot of them are still perfectly credible sources. I'm sure a lot of, or at least some bloggers/vloggers/independent websites fall under this category too, but you might really have to do some digging to find out what their agenda is. There are things like these that may help in finding out.

Then there's a 3rd group, which consists of the bullshit machines. Nowadays anyone can be a publisher, and it shows. I wouldn't believe a word what some Craig says unless the sources are clearly cited and the data corroborated on other sites.

It's hard to know nowadays who is right, there's conflicting info about everything. This just means one should look at every source critically, I like the analogy of pretending it's always April 1st. Just being dismissive about all mainstream reporting and blindly accepting unverified alternative sources is about the worst thing one can do.

Well I haven't seen footage of this, and I don't really want to seek it out.

Being skeptical and being ignorant are different things. Don't be a полезный идиот.

[Poopadoop]

Still images are not really telling enough of a story, can easily be staged.

Yeah, look at that fake grief on Zelensky's face. What an actor.

Being skeptical and being ignorant are different things.

As Mortensen said, "And thus in his considered view, what did not fit could not be true."

[OngBonga]

Yeah, look at that fake grief on Zelensky's face. What an actor.

Fun fact - he actually is an actor.

Not that you'd need to act to show grief when people in your country are dying due to war, but still. He's a pretty good actor, yes.

[Poopadoop]

Fun fact - he actually is an actor.

Not that you'd need to act to show grief when people in your country are dying due to war, but still. He's a pretty good actor, yes.

You're an idiot.

[Poopadoop]

So, this Craig guy got found in contempt of court for giving out info on twitter that could have led people to identify victims of sexual assault. Showed up at the police station drinking a bottle of champagne. Seems like not an attention-seeker at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...egin-jail-term

[OngBonga]

You're an idiot.

Says this then goes on to mock Murray for getting stitched up by the state for journalism.

Here's some homework for you... actually look into that story.

[Poopadoop]

Says this then goes on to mock Murray for getting stitched up by the state for journalism.

Here's some homework for you... actually look into that story.

The judge who convicted him was in on the grand conspiracy I see.


Edit: Five appeals court judges too. Upheld the conviction.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/a...h-b990588.html


I repeat: you're an idiot.