*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

Why is culture so important to you?
Is your notion that culture is static over time?

Why do you feel like the culture you are familiar with is something you're entitled to forever?

This is really a very poor argument when it comes to accepting Islam. You're not asking my culture to evolve over time, you're asking my culture to absorb another culture, one that isn't very compatible.

If you asked an Islamic country to disregard their culture, that would be considered pretty offensive by some. Hey Afghanistan, why are you afraid of churches and bare ankles? I want to come and live there, despite me not particularly liking your country or your people. Why? Economics, it's just that it makes my life better. Fuck everyone who already lives there, this is about me.

It's like you guys think that culture is something we should be ashamed of,rather than proud. Best thing is, I'm not even particularly proud of our culture, but it's the only one we have.

Yes of course it changes over time. Usually for the better, in the sense we tend to abandon the shitty aspects of it, like racism, sexism and homophobia. Of course these are still problems in the UK, but not on the same scale they were,and the law is constantly evolving to protect minorities. So don't patronise me about how culture evolves. I'm not afraid of that. I just want it to keep getting better.

Kindly keep your foot out of your mouth while we are unfortunately stuck in the same foxhole.

Modern western values evolved from Christian values. You don't need to be this pedantic with me just because we're awkwardly on the same side of the fence on this matter.

[oskar]

There were so many great moments yesterday. This was one of my favorites:

https://youtu.be/Z4C86H94Z2g?t=155

Someone had to have had the idea to do this, then made an intern do the graphic, go to a print shop, have the print shop guy ask: what is this for, a rally or something? And then the intern has to go: No, it's for congress actually. We'll put that up in congress. - And then you put that up in congress and all your republican friends go: this makes our point so well, we won't have to ask a single question for the next seven hours!

[Poopadoop]

There were so many great moments yesterday. This was one of my favorites:

+1

Every time I think the Fake Reality Star Conman President show can't get any better, it does.

Today, Trump told reporters that Kim told him he didn't know anything about what happened to that American student who came back in a coma, and he believed him.

[oskar]

+1

Every time I think the Fake Reality Star Conman President show can't get any better, it does.

Today, Trump told reporters that Kim told him he didn't know anything about what happened to that American student who came back in a coma, and he believed him.

You know what, I actually do believe Kim on that one. NK does not have a history of torturing civilian foreign prisoners, and there are other plausible explanations for Wamblier's condition. What made Trumps comment hilarious was that he managed to throw everyone under the bus. He seemed to assume that there was torture involved, which there is no proof of, and KJU certainly didn't admit, and then he flips it around and says he believes KJU didn't know about it.

[Poopadoop]

You know what, I actually do believe Kim on that one. NK does not have a history of torturing civilian foreign prisoners, and there are other plausible explanations for Wamblier's condition. What made Trumps comment hilarious was that he managed to throw everyone under the bus. He seemed to assume that there was torture involved, which there is no proof of, and KJU certainly didn't admit, and then he flips it around and says he believes KJU didn't know about it.

I think the evidence in that case is pretty scant - some say the guy attempted suicide; he had a heart attack (at 22?) there's no evidence he got beat up, etc.; but I'm sure there's ways to almost kill someone that can't be traced months later. So I'm keeping an open mind on what actually happened. It's pretty unusual for someone young and in seemingly good health to mysteriously go into a coma though I must say.

As for Trump, his comments today are funny on a couple of levels:

a) because like you said it completely contradicts Trump's previous claim that the guy was horribly tortured.

b) because it's consistent with how Trump reacts to a dictator pleading innocent - just take him at his word and ignore everyone else.

c) because the summit failed (shock) and, well, I guess that's funny in a different way. That elusive Nobel Peace Prize is still up for grabs I guess!

[MadMojoMonkey]

There were so many great moments yesterday. This was one of my favorites:

https://youtu.be/Z4C86H94Z2g?t=155

Someone had to have had the idea to do this, then made an intern do the graphic, go to a print shop, have the print shop guy ask: what is this for, a rally or something? And then the intern has to go: No, it's for congress actually. We'll put that up in congress. - And then you put that up in congress and all your republican friends go: this makes our point so well, we won't have to ask a single question for the next seven hours!

As if any one of them got into office without lying.
As if any human doesn't lie sometimes.

If that's all you got, then you got nothing. The fact that a person has lied doesn't mean they are evermore incapable of telling the truth.

I hope I get a chance to review the documents he submitted today.

[Poopadoop]

As if any one of them got into office without lying.
As if any human doesn't lie sometimes.

If that's all you got, then you got nothing.

Obviously you missed the part where his pants were on fire.

That's the clincher.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Obviously you missed the part where his pants were on fire.

That's the clincher.

[oskar]

I hope I get a chance to review the documents he submitted today.

Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html

I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.

[Poopadoop]

Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html

haha that is definitely Trump's scrabble. I hope that one gets into a court someday.

I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.

yeah, 'cause they didn't have enough excuses to do that already

[MadMojoMonkey]

Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html

I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.

If you zoom and enhance, you can see the truth

[OngBonga]

Isn't it really about something else, deeper than a simple demand that your culture stay the same as it is now?

I thought I addressed this. I'm not bothered about things staying the same. I want culture to get better. If Islam brought with it cultural enrichment, I wouldn't have a problem.

Christianity is going on 2,000 years old and these values you ascribe to Christian culture haven't even been around for 100 years, yet.

I don't ascribe recent tolerance of homosexuals to Christian values. I credit Christianity with forming the basis of our moral framework. Thankfully, in modern times we've begun to recognise Christianity is far from perfect, and have allowed our culture to evolve.

(in America. I think you guys are a bit more chill about gay marriage in the UK, so feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.)

The Church here don't have nearly as much influence in state policy, compared to USA. Homophobia obviously still exists in the UK, but it's much better today than even when I was a child, I can see how much things have changed in my lifetime. Gay marriage certainly still has its opponents here, but they are in the minority.

Furthermore, it's Christian values that fight against women's right to abortion, it's Christian values that continue to persecute homosexuals.

Not here. I accept Christianity has some very serious flaws, I'm glad I live in a country where we have tended to abandon those flaws.

You can respect whatever you like. If you say you "have to" from a purely subjective, "otherwise I'm lying to myself" position, then I totally get that.

I have to recognise that Christianity plays a very important role in British history. Would I change that if I somehow could? It could be worse. We have a very long and varied history. Some of it I'm proud of, some of it ashamed of. But when I'm stood next to a 1000 year old church, imagining what life was like in my backyard back in those times, I have a tinge of respect for the role that Christianity has played through the entire existence of that church. It's been the focus of countless generations of villagers, still to this day.

This isn't just my national history, it's my local history too. So yes, I respect Christian influence, even if I struggle to respect Christianity itself.

"those people don't belong here because they don't want to assimilate into my culture, they want to inundate my culture with their own."

Yes, pretty much. If that culture just happens to be compatible with ours, it's not a problem. Many immigrants have come here and enriched our culture... Chinese, Carribean, Indian, Polish... they have all faced discrimination, but I am happy we allowed these guys in. I am only against mass Islamic immigration. I feel it's the least compatible culture with ours, we could pick virtually any other source of immigration and have improved cultural benefits.

[sah_24]

Well it's sketchy at best. We got this one cheque signed by someone who goes by the name of AmtstnununuA
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...hen/index.html

I think the most important part was AOC's questioning which opens up the possibility to subpoena Trump's tax returns.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL AOC ... god 2020 is going to be fun

[MadMojoMonkey]

This is really a very poor argument when it comes to accepting Islam. You're not asking my culture to evolve over time, you're asking my culture to absorb another culture, one that isn't very compatible.[...]

Who said anything about Islam? I'm not talking about Islam. I understand your views on Islam.
(FWIW, I don't read any of this as people trying to get you to "accept Islam," they're only suggesting to treat criminals like criminals and non-criminals like non-criminals.)
I never asked your culture to evolve or absorb anything. I'm only citing that it has, as the Anglo-Saxon comment made blatantly clear, but even Brexit is a perfect example that your culture evolves and absorbs - or whatever the opposite of absorb is.

You say your opposition to Islam has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with culture. Let's strip the religion from the conversation, then. If it's not about religion, then let's move away from the triggers and trappings of that language.


I get "that" you are attached to your sense of culture, and that it's important to you.
I don't get "why" you are so attached, and I don't get exactly what it is you mean when you talk about culture.

Can you answer the quations again in this context?


Why is culture so important to you?
Is your notion that culture is static over time?

Why do you feel like the culture you are familiar with is something you're entitled to forever?