spoonitnow AMA (and 10,000th post stuff)

[spoonitnow]

This is for my 10,000th post since a bunch of people voted for it: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...st-193887.html

I don't really know what to say here except I've spent a significant amount of my life trolling people here, so feel free to ask whatever.

[Pascal]

what's your favourite thing about trolling people?

[kiwiMark]

What's your favourite thing about rocks?

[givememyleg]

do you still play poker?

[jyms]

can you PM me the pics of michelle? I voted for that.

If not, on a scale of 1-10, how important is the deep understanding of math you have posted about to beat say $50NL-$100NL?

[daviddem]

Please publish a 30-page eBook instructional showing how to do EV equations with little to no algebra (that's what won the poll).

edit: OK ignore I just saw your post in the other thread

[daviddem]

How did the gun lobby manage to hijack the original spirit of the 2nd Amendment with the complicity of the Supreme Court over the dead bodies of thousands of Americans?

[spoonitnow]

what's your favourite thing about trolling people?

Procrastinating from doing other shit that I really need to be doing.

What's your favourite thing about rocks?

They're from the streets like myself.

do you still play poker?

I played micro-stakes hyper-turbo 10bb 6-mans for a short period of time earlier this year. I had a healthy ROI over a decent sample, but it wasn't as much fun as I thought it would be. Other than that, no.

[surviva316]

Have you ever, even once in your life, felt bad about being overly harsh with someone? If no, say no. If yes, say yes. If yes, but you don't want to admit it in the forums and tarnish your reputation, then say n0. Or PM me.

Do you find that you deal with the emotions of the game better than most? What's the non-playing area of your game that you struggle most with? Fuck, that question's too general and you're gonna say something lame like "I don't have enough minutes in the day" or some crap. Don't be a wuss, though and tell me about your thoughts and feelings and innermost fears.

What's the most compelling argument you've ever heard about something you don't generally give credence to? For God, against hip hop, etc.

What is the most insightful thing you've ever heard from one of your least favorite IRCers? What is the dumbest thing you've ever heard from one of your favorite IRCers?

[daviddem]

Repost pics of you in a FTR thong.

If we all chip in to buy you a Borat swim suit, will you publish pictures of you in it on a public beach?

[seven-deuce]

Where do you see yourself 10 years from now?

And do you think you will ever play online cash games again, if online poker is legalized in the US?

[spoonitnow]

can you PM me the pics of michelle? I voted for that.

If not, on a scale of 1-10, how important is the deep understanding of math you have posted about to beat say $50NL-$100NL?

That poll option was a joke. I don't think I even have any at this point.

It depends on which math you're talking about. I don't know what SSNL is like these days, but I think a basic understanding of game theory in terms of trying to play your range instead of individual hands is probably needed to be a big winner.

Please publish a 30-page eBook instructional showing how to do EV equations with little to no algebra (that's what won the poll).

edit: OK ignore I just saw your post in the other thread

It's coming. I'm being lazy about doing some edits. I got ImSavy, a new guy, to check over it a couple of months ago, so thanks to him for that.

How did the gun lobby manage to hijack the original spirit of the 2nd Amendment with the complicity of the Supreme Court over the dead bodies of thousands of Americans?

What this basically comes down to is whether people are okay giving up their rights for a feeling of more security. Some people are, some people aren't. Personally, I'm not. The United States was founded on the idea that it's not okay to do so, but slowly over time, people have wanted to change that. In the grand scheme of things, it's not really that big of a deal.

As far as guns go specifically, it's a very polarizing thing because you have people on the opposite ends of a spectrum without anyone in the middle. People who have grown up around guns and are more comfortable around them don't have the same alarmist feelings that people experience who aren't comfortable around guns. One side of the fence understands guns, how to be safe with them and what's needed to store, maintain and use them safely. The other side of the fence does not, so when some nutjob shoots up some kids, the only thing they see is that guns are bad. Both sides are trying to fight for what they think is right.

The truth of the situation is that 25 kids dying isn't that big of a deal from an objective point of view. If the number of dying kids is the measure of what needs to be done, then there are tons of things that should be taken care of before gun control. However, 25 American kids dying brings up a lot of emotions because we imagine it happening to our own kids. If 250,000 African kids die on the other side of the world, it doesn't mean nearly as much to most Americans because they can't relate to it.

Politicians have always used children as a tool to pass legislation that will give them more power (politically, not militarily) and make them more money in the long run. The only difference now is that they are using dead children to do it.

[Savy]

[seven-deuce]

It depends on which math you're talking about. I don't know what SSNL is like these days, but I think a basic understanding of game theory in terms of trying to play your range instead of individual hands is probably needed to be a big winner.

What is the best way to go about learning this? Is there any books that cover it so you can teach yourself?

[MadMojoMonkey]

If we all chip in to buy you a Borat swim suit, will you publish pictures of you in it on a public beach?

Wha?! Why?

You're in to some weird stuff. I guess there's a lot worse to be in to.

@ spoony:
What is the most interesting, unexpected, eye-opening, world-view changing thing you learned in the past 10 years?

[spoonitnow]

Have you ever, even once in your life, felt bad about being overly harsh with someone? If no, say no. If yes, say yes. If yes, but you don't want to admit it in the forums and tarnish your reputation, then say n0. Or PM me.

Do you find that you deal with the emotions of the game better than most? What's the non-playing area of your game that you struggle most with? Fuck, that question's too general and you're gonna say something lame like "I don't have enough minutes in the day" or some crap. Don't be a wuss, though and tell me about your thoughts and feelings and innermost fears.

What's the most compelling argument you've ever heard about something you don't generally give credence to? For God, against hip hop, etc.

What is the most insightful thing you've ever heard from one of your least favorite IRCers? What is the dumbest thing you've ever heard from one of your favorite IRCers?

Yes. There was a girl I was seeing about eight or nine years ago. I stopped seeing her because she had an eating disorder. I said some things to her that, while tame compared to what you might expect, I'm ashamed of. I later went to her wedding, and we are on good terms now.

I haven't played poker in a serious way in a long time, but I'm still self-employed with something I do with my computer, so I'll answer it as if you're asking about my work. My biggest problem is procrastination. I have a specific routine set up to deal with it on a tactical level so that it doesn't influence my productivity as much. However, if I don't start into my routine when I get up in the morning, then I don't get very much done.

I hate 12-step programs for a lot of reasons (including how ineffective they are compared to no treatment), but the first step seems like it's giving up on any concept of personal responsibility. Someone I know once said it's not like they're going to be responsible for shit anyway, so what could it hurt? I thought that was a good point.

The most insightful thing I have ever heard from someone I disliked from IRC was when this kid named Matt, I can't remember his screen name but he didn't stick around long, said something like, "I might be an idiot, but I don't care." He was talking about buying lottery tickets. For the latter, there's a guy I won't name who said he was going to bail a chick he was banging out of jail in a situation that was pretty dumb. He knows it now, and I don't give him nearly as much shit about it as I probably should.

Repost pics of you in a FTR thong.

If we all chip in to buy you a Borat swim suit, will you publish pictures of you in it on a public beach?

I've said this before, but the FTR thong picture was actually a fake. I found a picture of a guy in a white thong and [badly] copy/pasted an FTR logo onto it. The picture was fuzzy enough that once I scaled it down a bit, it looked legit at first glance. And no, I won't.

Where do you see yourself 10 years from now?

And do you think you will ever play online cash games again, if online poker is legalized in the US?

Sitting on my ass doing as little as possible to make as much money as possible. And yes, I would like to, but I don't think I would play poker as a profession again at this point.

[spoonitnow]

Sorry, but I won't do your homework. You didn't ask this, but I know you can appreciate it: My favorite math subject is abstract algebra.

What is the best way to go about learning this? Is there any books that cover it so you can teach yourself?

I've covered enough of it in threads here on FTR. My 5,000th post was actually one long game theory clusterfuck. Mathematics of Poker might be an okay place to start if you're looking for a book. I'm not familiar with current poker books, so there might be a better choice.

If you understand the difference between a game theory optimal strategy (perfectly balanced) and an optimal exploitative strategy (playing every hand individually the most +EV way you can in a vacuum), then realize that you should normally play somewhere in between. That's the best way I can explain it.

Wha?! Why?

You're in to some weird stuff. I guess there's a lot worse to be in to.

@ spoony:
What is the most interesting, unexpected, eye-opening, world-view changing thing you learned in the past 10 years?

The first thing that came to mind: With the death penalty, it costs significantly more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life.

[Savy]

Can't blame me for trying. May aswell ask some proper questions.

Where abouts did you go to uni? What did you study (just maths?)?

When you say your favourite subject was abstract algebra, do you mean things like group theory? If so mind going into a bit more detail about what your favourite parts were?

[spoonitnow]

Can't blame me for trying. May aswell ask some proper questions.

Where abouts did you go to uni? What did you study (just maths?)?

When you say your favourite subject was abstract algebra, do you mean things like group theory? If so mind going into a bit more detail about what your favourite parts were?

I started out at a local community college. I have two different two-year degrees, one in is an A.A. for English and one is an A.S. for Mathematics. I then transferred to the University of North Carolina at Greensboro to work on a B.S. for Applied Mathematics, and while I finished most of my coursework, I had some pretty crazy life circumstances that didn't allow me to finish my degree. Also, my favorite professor died, and that kind of pushed me away from it emotionally. I plan on finishing that up sometime in the next couple of years.

At UNC-G, research in the mathematics department was primarily centered around two things: complex analysis and ring theory. Random tidbit you might appreciate, but I took complex analysis classes under the guy who is credited with what I'm pretty sure is the shortest proof that there are an infinite number of primes (http://primes.utm.edu/notes/proofs/infinite/Saidak.html).

In North America at least, we refer to algebra in two ways. When we just say algebra, we typically mean like middle school math, and when we say abstract algebra or modern algebra, we're referring to the study of structures, etc. I was most attracted to it because of the type of thinking involved that's a lot less concrete than calculus/differential equations/analysis.

[Chelle]

How much do you think that religion in the south-eastern part of America plays a part of the laws?

What is your opinion on the recent events that are going on in America, anything from the Boston bombing situation, to the Equal-rights marriage being presented to the Supreme Court affect the Bills that are being signed? Do you think that the Boston bombing is a distraction to a Bill that is might be pushed through? Like how the Monsanto Protection Act was signed when everyone media wise was covering the Equal-rights marriage stuff.

How much wood could a wood-chuck chuck, if a wood-chuck could chuck wood?

[daviddem]

I'm still self-employed with something I do with my computer,

What do you do for a living with your computer?

What is your take on the nature of the universe?

[spoonitnow]

What do you do for a living with your computer?

What is your take on the nature of the universe?

I write. Come to IRC if you want to talk about it more.

I don't really have an opinion.

[eugmac]

Would you suck cock for money, and if yes, how much would you charge?

Worst thing that you ever did that you still feel bad about, or felt bad about for a long time?

[spoonitnow]

Would you suck cock for money, and if yes, how much would you charge?

Worst thing that you ever did that you still feel bad about, or felt bad about for a long time?

Yes, and it depends on the cock and who it is attached to. I think a more interesting question would be if I would suck cock for free.

I answered a similar question above about an ex who had an eating disorder.

[Lukie]

How do you make beef jerky?

Is it worth making? What about storage.. do you just leave it on the counter in the bag and you can eat it at your convenience for weeks or months? The only things I know about jerky are that venison jerky tastes great, and store bought jerky, while tasty, has a bunch of additives that I don't really want to add to my diet.

[givememyleg]

how much do you love feminists?

how much do you love this feminist in particular?

[spoonitnow]

How do you make beef jerky?

Is it worth making? What about storage.. do you just leave it on the counter in the bag and you can eat it at your convenience for weeks or months? The only things I know about jerky are that venison jerky tastes great, and store bought jerky, while tasty, has a bunch of additives that I don't really want to add to my diet.

I was actually in the middle of typing this one up. To answer your questions, I think it's definitely worth making, but it can take a couple of tries before you figure out what you like. I answer the storage question in the below. Depending on how you store it, you can get it to keep for several weeks at a minimum. Also, with jerky, the difference in the taste between beef and deer is practically zero. So much of the taste comes from your marinade that my family and friends can't tell a difference 9 times out of 10, and that's saying a lot since we eat a ton of deer.

I made a batch recently that I took pictures of just for this, but my phone ate them, so words will have to do. Here's the basic idea:

Step 1: Cut up your meat.
Step 2: Marinate it for however long.
Step 3: Dehydrate it for however long.
Step 4: Store it.

There are lots of different opinions on how to do each of the above four steps. All I can do is show you how I personally do it (which came after a bit of experimentation) and give you some other options.

Step 1: Cut up your meat.

Cheap sirloin steaks are a good place to start. You want as little fat as you can get because the fat will go bad very quickly. Some places have London broils for a cheap rate, and you can cut those up if it's cheaper on you.

In general, there are two basic ways that you can cut your meat. You can go with thin strips about 1/4" by 1/4", or you can go with wider strips that are like 1-1.5" by 1/8". If you want to make smaller pieces that are easy to eat as snacks, go with the 1/4" by 1/4". If you want your jerky to look more traditional, then go with the wider strips.

A lot of people suggest cutting with the grain. I actually prefer cutting against the grain because that makes the end product easier to pull apart.

Step 2: Marinate it for however long.

For the marinades, there are just tons of different ways you can do it. If you want something that tastes fairly plain without being spicy or hot at all, a good starting point is 2 cups/10 oz of soy sauce with 1 tsp of brown sugar. If you want a little more flavor, you can go with something like 1 cup soy sauce, 1 cup Worcestershire sauce, 1 tsp liquid smoke. You can play with chili powder, chipotle powder and paprika if you like it hot. I've also used 2 parts balsamic vinegar with 1 part soy sauce with some onion powder and it's turned out great. You can look up a lot of marinade ideas online, but the soy sauce is really the basis of all of it. Also, store-bought marinades are mostly crap and generally defeat the purpose when people want to avoid shoving 48494 random chemicals down their throats.

As for how long to marinate, about 12 hours is sufficient. I've done it as little as 6 hours and as long as 18 hours without noticing much of a difference when compared to 8-12 hours.

Step 3: Dehydrate it for however long.

There are basically three ways to dehydrate. The easiest is to just put the shit in a regular dehydrator, and this is what I do. However, some people think that using a dehydrator that uses heat changes the flavor of the meat, and they would prefer to use cool air instead. To this end, you can build a cheap dehydrator using a fan and some racks for somewhere in the $30 range. I've done this before, and it takes a lot longer with a lot less consistent result in my experience.

A third method is to dehydrate in an oven. Basically, you hang the meat on toothpicks on the oven racks with a pan to catch the drippings under it, or you just lay it across the racks. Then you put the oven on a low setting (like 150-200 degrees), and you prop it open with a wooden spoon to let the moisture out. The idea is to dehydrate the meat instead of just cooking it. My dad prefers this method, and it takes just about as long.

For those of you who will be using a regular food dehydrator like I do, I can't recommend a specific time frame because different dehydrators work at drastically different paces. What I can tell you is that if it's squishy, it's not ready yet. If you can bend it while it cracks a lot without breaking in half, then it should be ready. If bending it causes it to just break in half, then it's probably been in there too long.

Step 4: Store it.

Don't eat it as soon as it's ready or it will taste weird because it's still warm. You need to let it cool off for a bit. If you're going to be storing it short-term, then small plastic bags like zip-loc bags are fine. If you're going to be storing it for the long-term, then you'll want something like a plastic canister that won't collect as much moisture. From what I've read and experienced, the jerky collects moisture mostly based on how much of its surface area is touching the plastic. A lot of it touches in bags, but not as much touches in vertical storage containers.

There is a ton about this online as well.

[spoonitnow]

how much do you love feminists?

how much do you love this feminist in particular?

Third-wave feminism is something I could write about for hours. I firmly believe that it does more to hurt women as a whole than it does to help them. Modern feminism is less concerned with equal opportunities for women as it is advancing the interests of feminist women as much as possible to the point that it becomes unreasonable and ridiculous, and that's where it loses me. The current situation with rape law in the United States is a great example.

Suppose I go to a party with my girlfriend, we get drunk, she rides my dick and we go to sleep. Thanks to modern feminism, I could be convicted of rape. Someone who is intoxicated cannot legally consent, and since I was not legally given consent to penetrate her, it's rape. It doesn't matter that we were both drunk or that she consented at the time. I know it sounds ridiculous, but that's why it pisses me off.

Suppose I'm making out with my girlfriend, and we're both sober. I start fingering her while we're making out, and she's into it. Out of nowhere, she gets up and leaves. Thanks to modern feminism, I could be convicted of rape. Now I know this sounds too ridiculous to be true, but that's why I'm so pissed off about it. Because I didn't specifically get positive consent (ie: she said yes she wants that), if she didn't want me to do it, then it's rape, even if she never told me. The only proof that is needed in this case is the "victim" saying I didn't get positive consent and that she didn't want to.

Suppose I'm getting naked with my girlfriend, and we're both sober. I ask her specifically if she wants to have sex, and she says yes. We start having sex, and in the middle of it, she gets up and leaves. Thanks to modern feminism, believe it or not, I can be convicted of rape. If consent is given as a result of [alleged] coercion, as in she feels like she can't tell me no out of fear (justified or not), then it's not legal consent, and that makes it rape. The only proof that is needed in this case is the "victim" saying so.

People who make false rape accusations are very rarely charged in the United States. The main reason for this is that there is a lot of political pressure for prosecutors not to. Modern feminists claim that going after people who clearly admit to making false rape accusations will make real victims scared to come forward. I'm of the opinion that it would have the opposite effect.

Now what's so really fucked up about it is that modern feminism insists that "rape" cases like the three hypothetical scenarios above are on the same level of rape as something like the Steubenville case with the football players and whatever.

Some people don't think that cases like this happen, but they happen all the time.

Quick example, though it's really easy to find tons of other examples like it. In 2009, a handful of guys gang-banged a chick at Hofstra University. Her boyfriend found out about it, and she cried rape to keep from looking like she just decided to get gang-banged by a group of guys she had just met (which was the case). She stuck by her story, and four men were very close to being sent to prison over it and having their lives ruined just because she said so. Part of the gang-bang was caught on video from another guy's cell phone, and he decided to come forward. It showed a much different scenario than what the girl said happened, and then she confessed that she made it all up to keep her boyfriend from finding out that she got gang-banged by four or five strangers for fun on a whim. The prosecutor refused to press charges against the chick.

So this has become longer than I meant for it to, but the rape law situation is something that I think all men from the US should know about. Right now, there isn't really any legal avenue that men can take. The two main reasons, other than third-wave feminist horse shit rhetoric, that stuff like this isn't getting taken seriously are:

1. So-called "men's rights activists" (MRAs) are mostly complete idiots who sit around making "lol get back in the kitchen" jokes.
2. It sounds too ridiculous to be true.

[lolzzz_321]

is ftr > wickedfire?

[kiwiMark]

Would you suck cock for money, and if yes, how much would you charge?

pfft, show me someone who says no to this with the price left open like that and I'll show you a liar

[eugmac]

Ok, would you suck my cock for $5? Or for free even?

[spoonitnow]

Ok, would you suck my cock for $5? Or for free even?

I would have to see you naked, and even then it's up to a few factors. Are you a top or a bottom? Do you shave your entire body from the waist down? Do you cross dress?

[surviva316]

I like where this thread is headed.

[!Luck]

Which IRC chat room do you hang in now. Did you ever think of doing web development to make money?

[BennyLaRue]

What's your favourite thing about rocks?

They're fucking minerals, Marie.

[spoonitnow]

Which IRC chat room do you hang in now. Did you ever think of doing web development to make money?

The new one. And while I'm decent with PHP/SQL, it's not something I'm interested in. I make fairly good money with what I've got going on right now.

They're fucking minerals, Marie.

I can't wait until it finishes up.

[supa]

Why did you puss out on this?

A 30-page eBook instructional showing how to do EV equations with little to no algebra.

[JKDS]

Re rape: Are you speaking of rape generally, for the nation as a whole, or your specific state? I know that rape is codified by State statute and iirc it varies pretty widely on a state-by-state basis.

I agree that there are plenty of states that would convict you in those examples. But are they representative of the majority of the States?

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Along the same lines, consent is currently NOT a defense for physically harming another. Do you feel exceptions should be made for activities such as BDSM and why?



If the United States was forced to solve issues one at a time, which should be first in line? (Gay rights, Poverty, abortion, gun rights, unemployment, healthcare, policy on war powers, at-will employment, PACs, whatever)

[JKDS]

Also, would you rather have a bigger dick or be 100% transformed into your idea of a pretty woman?

[spoonitnow]

Why did you puss out on this?

A 30-page eBook instructional showing how to do EV equations with little to no algebra.

As mentioned earlier, I'm in the process of editing it.

Re rape: Are you speaking of rape generally, for the nation as a whole, or your specific state? I know that rape is codified by State statute and iirc it varies pretty widely on a state-by-state basis.

I agree that there are plenty of states that would convict you in those examples. But are they representative of the majority of the States?

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Along the same lines, consent is currently NOT a defense for physically harming another. Do you feel exceptions should be made for activities such as BDSM and why?



If the United States was forced to solve issues one at a time, which should be first in line? (Gay rights, Poverty, abortion, gun rights, unemployment, healthcare, policy on war powers, at-will employment, PACs, whatever)

@bold, In the alcohol and coercion examples, the vast majority of states could convict you there for the same reason that they could convict you for having sex with someone below the age of consent. Legally, someone cannot consent under those two conditions, and the alleged rapist does not have to be aware of either of them to be convicted. In short, it's a question of the definition of consent, not the definition of rape.

One major problem here is that there is no defense to an alleged victim making up the coercion where there really was none. In the positive consent example, it's not to the point (yet) where this is the case in most of the United States, but modern feminists are making big pushes to make this the case. I just gave these three examples to bring up the huge problems that are starting to become more prevalent. Julian Assange, for example, picked up rape charges in this type of situation. The charges were upheld even in the face of a massive amount of evidence that they were utter horseshit.

The BDSM consent thing is a fun topic because it's such a direct example of ideological differences. Some people believe that two consenting adults should be able to agree to do anything together in the privacy of their home as long as no one else is involved, and others think that there should be limits on what behavior is allowed. Since a contract or agreement isn't legally binding if you can prove that you signed or agreed under coercion or duress, then it's easy to argue that people should be able to do anything without limits. On the other hand, tax dollars are often at question if someone does something stupid in these types of situations, so you could also argue that there should be laws to protect people from having to pay for other peoples fuck-ups. I personally tend to lean towards allowing people to do whatever they want as long as all parties consent. Safewords are there for a reason.

There was a recent case in the UK where this came up in what would probably be considered a very unfavorable situation and the man was found not guilty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-contract.html One of the things that gave him a large advantage was that there was a signed contract that included instructions to use a specific safeword, which the alleged victim did not use at any point.

If I had to personally pick a "social issue" that I would attack, it would be education. I would cut into the military budget (which accounts for ~40% of the worldwide military budgets combined) and pay teachers substantially more.

Also, would you rather have a bigger dick or be 100% transformed into your idea of a pretty woman?

I wouldn't want my dick to be much bigger in size. Combine that with the distinct advantages that an attractive female has right now, and it's a pretty easy decision assuming I keep the same mental capacity.

[spoonitnow]

I want to expand a bit on the rape thing because I think it turns into an "us vs. them" type thing when it's really not. Both men and women are getting fucked over with the way that rape is currently treated.

I'm completely against victim blaming when there is an actual victim, but I'm also completely against calling someone a rapist if they haven't raped anyone. If you want to see something that REALLY fucking pisses me off, then take a look at this study and others that show that the majority of people believe that rape victims should take responsibility for being raped. This is bullshit.

However, a major part of the reason that rape victims are treated like this is that people know that there aren't any real consequences for making a false rape accusation. It's basically an attention-grabbing (or $750,000-grabbing) freeroll for the psychos who want to do that sort of thing. If false rape accusations were treated more seriously, then people would treat rape victims more seriously.

When false rape accusations aren't severely punished, it makes people take women less seriously when they come forward saying that they were raped. I mean, if I falsely accused someone of murder and they were put in prison for five years, I would be fucked. But in this false rape case, I would get $750,000 for putting someone in prison for five years for a rape he didn't commit, and I wouldn't be charged.

[Sasquach991]

What's your definition of torture?

Fried bologna samich or fried spam samich?

[Lukie]

[beef jerky, post #27, blah blah meow chow]

Trip report cliffs notes: Jerky came out good, really not all that hard to make, and as with pretty much anything you do more than once, there are improvements to be made. Some should have been obvious; some not so much.

I actually had planned on going to the grocery store yesterday anyway. There were sales on sirloin roasts of some sort, and I found one in particular that was fairly small and looked to be exceptionally lean. I used that one for jerky.

Got home, put it in the freezer (to make it easier to cut into thin slices), although I didn't leave it in long enough. This combined with a sharp-enough-for-everything-else-but-not-sharp-enough-for-this knife, and some ill-advised cuts, and about half of the 'strips' actually came out to be more like 'chip' sized. Some were longer; all were probably a tad thick. Some cuts simply weren't going to be useable for jerky so I stirfried those separately instead. All in all, I estimate that I got about a pound of reasonable jerky strips that I put in a bag and marinated.

Marinade was 1/2 cup soy sauce, 1/4 cup red devil hot sauce (vinegar based cayenne pepper sauce, similar to Frank's), a splash of liquid smoke, and a decent sprinking of garlic powder. Some notes about the marinade: I probably could have used more but I'm cheap, and I used regular soy sauce though in the future I will probably use reduced sodium. This is saying something because I usually try to avoid reduced-fat or reduced-sodium anything, and bacon should be made from pigs.. but I digress. The end product was tasty but a bit too salty for my liking.

The meat marinated for roughly 4 hours, then I put the meat directly on the oven rack with a foil lined baking sheet underneath. Due to the amateur cuts of meat, most of the pieces only made contact with 1 or 2 spokes, probably not ideal, and in the future I will do my best to make better cuts and/or hang them from toothpicks as recommended.

I set the oven to between warm-200, say 175, and propped open the door ever so slightly with a spoon. Pro tip: real men use metal spoons, not wooden spoons, for this type of endeavor. I checked back somewhat frequently and began eating some of the smaller pieces after about 4 hours. Most I let go for 6-7. In my estimation this amount could probably be cut in half or possibly more depending on the efficacy of the earlier steps.

All things considered I am very happy with how it turned out. I have always liked jerky except for the price and additives of most mass produced jerky, this came out tasty, and there is utility that is kind of unique to jerky.

[donkbee]

Combine that with the distinct advantages that an attractive female has right now

like what?

attractive male > attractive female

so many disadvantages to being female.

[kiwiMark]

glhf

[Renton]

like what?

attractive male > attractive female

so many disadvantages to being female.

Kind of depends on how you look at it. I'm living in cambodia right now and basically any local here who isn't a beautiful woman is in a world of shit. The beautiful women are able to find a rich man or a foreigner (who's also rich) to take care of them. Some measure of this advantage exists everywhere in the world but its especially large in poorer places like this, which make up the majority of the world. You'll never, ever, find an attractive woman sleeping on a cardboard box on the sidewalk. It's inconceivable.

Does that benefit make up for all the shitty aspects of being female? Maybe not. But it's up for debate. Would I switch places with a beautiful woman who's the same age as me with the exact same personality and mental capability (only a switch in sexual proclivity)? Yes, probably. But I'm not sure whether that'd be better than being a taller and more attractive man than I am.

[d0zer]

Would I switch places with a beautiful woman who's the same age as me with the exact same personality and mental capability (only a switch in sexual proclivity)? Yes, probably.

I'd pee in yer butt

[Lukie]

like what?

attractive male > attractive female

so many disadvantages to being female.

I agree, and nobody is going to accuse me of being a feminist anytime soon.

[spoonitnow]

What's your definition of torture?

Fried bologna samich or fried spam samich?

People who won't shut the fuck up in a movie.

Fried bologna.

Marinade was 1/2 cup soy sauce, 1/4 cup red devil hot sauce (vinegar based cayenne pepper sauce, similar to Frank's), a splash of liquid smoke, and a decent sprinking of garlic powder. Some notes about the marinade: I probably could have used more but I'm cheap, and I used regular soy sauce though in the future I will probably use reduced sodium. This is saying something because I usually try to avoid reduced-fat or reduced-sodium anything, and bacon should be made from pigs.. but I digress. The end product was tasty but a bit too salty for my liking.

Add something sweet like brown sugar or a very small amount of honey to mask the saltiness. I made some with just soy sauce once to see how it would come out, and it was so salty I couldn't stand it. I added 1 tsp of light brown sugar, and it was great.

[Lukie]

Interesting.. thanks for the tip

[Micro2Macro]

Most bizarre animal someone in your locale has been caught fornicating with

[Hoopy]

Best day of your life?

Favourite drink?

[spoonitnow]

Best day of your life?

Favourite drink?

I'm not really sure. Nothing really stands out to me. I can tell you about one of the three worst days of my life, though.

I used to live in Raleigh which is about two hours west of here down I-40. I drove down to visit some friends and have pizza one weekend, and I was driving back Sunday night. I apparently had food poisoning or something because I randomly started throwing up in five lanes of heavy traffic. I threw up hard, or tried to, like every 10 minutes. Though I tried to wipe it up the best I could before I got home, the shit was in the floorboard, on the dash, some of it on the window, on the steering wheel, all that shit. I was sitting on the side of the highway just like convulsing from my body trying to throw up, but couldn't. I guess I had thrown up everything I could. I eventually got home and felt better by lunch time the next day. Cleaning up that car was absolutely disgusting.

My favorite drink is sweet tea. Welcome to the south.

Most bizarre animal someone in your locale has been caught fornicating with

There was a man one county over who was caught fucking a horse. He went to jail for it, got out, and the same day he got out, he got caught fucking the same horse again.

My second cousin fucked a female goat on a dare once while he was drunk. He also had his leg broken the same evening whenever he hit on the wrong guy's girlfriend/wife about six too many times and the dude slammed him against a tree. My cousin was about 110 lbs soaking wet, and the dude he pissed off was about 270-280 lbs, one of the largest people I've ever hung out with on a regular basis.

A few years ago during the Super Bowl, I looked over, and my best friend's wife was randomly rubbing his dog's (an adult boxer) dick. I asked her if she'd jack me off next. She got pissed off and locked herself in the bathroom. Later my friend told me that it wasn't the first time she'd been caught doing that. The story of how they got divorced is pretty funny too, but doesn't involve animal-fucking.

[d0zer]

can we just turn this thread into tales of animal love in da souf?

[spoonitnow]

can we just turn this thread into tales of animal love in da souf?

I'm pretty much a total redneck, and I'm not sure how many people who haven't been on FTR for years and years realize this. This is something that I'm often reminded of since my girlfriend's family is from up north.

Anyone here ever been frog gigging?

[BennyLaRue]

Anyone here ever been frog gigging?

Now that I looked up your crazy Southern word.

*hand up*

More accurately, I'd go spearfishing and get bored and throw at frogs.

[donkbee]

Kind of depends on how you look at it. I'm living in cambodia right now and basically any local here who isn't a beautiful woman is in a world of shit. The beautiful women are able to find a rich man or a foreigner (who's also rich) to take care of them. Some measure of this advantage exists everywhere in the world but its especially large in poorer places like this, which make up the majority of the world. You'll never, ever, find an attractive woman sleeping on a cardboard box on the sidewalk. It's inconceivable.

Does that benefit make up for all the shitty aspects of being female? Maybe not. But it's up for debate. Would I switch places with a beautiful woman who's the same age as me with the exact same personality and mental capability (only a switch in sexual proclivity)? Yes, probably. But I'm not sure whether that'd be better than being a taller and more attractive man than I am.

Good post. Definitely never thought of it this way before.

[Luco]

If a horny chimpanzee jumped on your back would you leave him there or toss him off?

[kiwiMark]

If you're on a bus full of dudes and suddenly they all whip it out and start jerking it on each other would you sit there and watch or get off?

[Luco]

Do you use the word y'all?

[Fielmann]

procrastination. I have a specific routine set up to deal with it on a tactical level so that it doesn't influence my productivity as much.

Tell us about it. And what could I do to procrastinate less? I can hardly get any work done during daytime nowadays, it seems.

[spoonitnow]

If you're on a bus full of dudes and suddenly they all whip it out and start jerking it on each other would you sit there and watch or get off?

I would sit there and get off.

Do you use the word y'all?

Yes. Generally speaking, y'all can refer to two or more people. In practical usage, however, it tends to refer to a group of 2-5. If there is a group of 6+, it's usually "all y'all" instead.

Example 1: Y'all can kiss my damn ass.
Example 2: Fuck all y'all.

Tell us about it. And what could I do to procrastinate less? I can hardly get any work done during daytime nowadays, it seems.

There's some shit that you're doing instead of doing your work. That shit is a distraction. You need to make it more difficult (or impossible) for that distraction to impact you. For example, I often fuck off on the Internet doing stupid shit whenever I need to be working. I get a whole lot more done whenever I either use a program like Freedom to disable my Internet access for an hour or go to a local coffee shop with shitty wifi. These in-the-moment changes are what I mean by tactical decisions.

As far as a strategic (ie: long term solution) approach goes, there are a lot of things you can do. I'm of the opinion that practicing starting your work is one of the best things that you can do. What I mean by this is practicing starting and doing work for say 10 minutes and then taking a five minute break to do something else. The idea is to literally practice pulling yourself away from distractions to do something that you don't want to do. It's similar to how practicing quitting in poker can help you to quit whenever you're tilting.

Procrastination is not primarily a problem with laziness. It's a problem with anxiety. Here's a good place to read more: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/10/27/procrastination/

[spoonitnow]

More on the rape thing: Here's a good article from a feminist on why it's bullshit. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...inion_newsreel

[kiwiMark]

It seems fair to say that you enjoy lying online to a certain degree - I don't mean tricking people for your own gain or lying maliciously or whatever, but that spinning something and having others buy it does have a certain something to it. If you don't already disagree with all that, my question: to what degree is it the same IRL or is that more of a limited to online kind of deal?

[spoonitnow]

It seems fair to say that you enjoy lying online to a certain degree - I don't mean tricking people for your own gain or lying maliciously or whatever, but that spinning something and having others buy it does have a certain something to it. If you don't already disagree with all that, my question: to what degree is it the same IRL or is that more of a limited to online kind of deal?

I'm incredibly sarcastic in person, but in subtle ways. I don't make it obvious, and if someone doesn't get the joke, I'm fine with that.

[Lukie]

Good post. Definitely never thought of it this way before.

I have a few points of my own. Some guys will probably be pissed at me for breaking rank, but I have never been one to have to argue a side. I just call it like I see it.

First, my post is mostly/entirely directed at somewhat civilized first world countries. If you live in an area of the world under sharia law for example, where adultery can get you stoned, showing your face could mean you are subject to a brutal attack, or an area of the world where being on the wrong bus at the wrong time could put you at risk of being gang-raped and beaten, let's just declare this argument over and done with and say that it is better to be a guy.

- Spoon brings up some good points re: rape accusations. I'm not going to get too deeply into that as it's only a small subset of why I think it is generally better to be male than female, but when looking at rape as a whole it is obviously better to be male than female. Nearly all rape involves a male or several male perpetrators. Interesting anecdote, I have a very good friend who is an attorney. We have talked about this exact subject before, and she painted a very different picture of a female who had been legitimately raped. The way she explained it is that the female is essentially put on trial herself, with her past sexual history brought into question (i.e. she is made to look like a whore), any inconsistencies ruthlessly questioned, if she was drinking/drunk then credibility in many situations is nonexistant, etc.

It is just hard to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt, as it should be. The burden of proof is much lower in civil cases, but ironically, whether or not police investigate, a prosecutor prosecutes, or a jury convicts weighs heavily even in those cases. That's not that I say that I disagree with Spoon, he is definitely right on a lot of his points, and given that false accusations can ruin mens' lives, they should be treated as such. I am trying to look at more of a macro level here.

- PMS and childbirth. No need to go into the emotional and physical hilarity here.

- Women take on the risk of pregnancy and are more likely to contract STDs during sex.

- Men are usually bigger, and nearly always faster and stronger. This has certain uses in athletics, general life (carrying stuff, moving, yard work etc.), and for reasons of self protection. Women travel in pairs or packs for a reason.

- Men who sleep with a lot of women tend not to be looked down on and are often praised. The reverse is definitely not true. Actually the 'number' topic comes up on occasion (never from me.) I have noticed that with my female friends and past girlfriends, the number is almost always lower than it is with my male friends, and by a significant amount. Things that make you go hmmm...

- Food wise men have it easier. This largely comes from my fitness side, I just have noticed that all things considered, men can usually get away with being more liberal with their food intake and activity that goes beyond scaling for bodyweight. Probably some combination of the general societal attitude discouraging women from training hard/with heavy weights, emotional eating that comes with fluctuating hormones, the high priority of looks for women, and the fairly narrow range that is healthy, attractive, and socially acceptable from both ends of the spectrum (and yes that body does exist, so stop using the notion that it doesn't to excuse being fat.)

- One thing I have often heard is that it's better to be female because they often get hit on and they can get laid whenever they want. In practice I am not so sure that this is a good thing. Past a certain point it is annoying, and all things considered there just isn't a tremendous amount of desireable men out there (from a woman's POV, this is another topic entirely.) Actually I can't imagine what it is like for a somewhat attractive female, when seemingly every bum, creeper, and dirty old man views you as a sexual object and hits on you relentlessly.

That gets into the 'how we age' thing as well. Somebody else can spell that one out if needed-- I suspect that it won't be.

This isn't even getting into work environments, or any number of other situations. There is still a ton to add to the above. Maybe donkbee or chelle can chime in.


There are some caveats of course. Rather than type them out, I would rather just defer to Spoon and Renton's posts. Hopefully they add more as well.

Two things I will definitely conceed, short guys can have it pretty rough, and lazy guys have it pretty rough (lazy attractive woman in comparison can get by comparatively easy.) In that sense maybe it is a lower floor, higher ceiling type of thing


And there really isn't any motivation here. It's not meant as a feminist post or anything like that. Like I mentioned before, I'm just calling it like I see it, and that is certainly influenced by my personal experiences and what not. Apologies for anywhere I stepped over the line, or as the case may be, gave an accurate reality check.

[Renton]

Yeah my argument about women having it better than men in poor countries is kind of specious considering how terrible women have it in the middle east and india and other places. The point I was trying to make, to put it respectfully, is that women have default inherent economic value that men don't have.

[Savy]

And there really isn't any motivation here. It's not meant as a feminist post or anything like that. Like I mentioned before, I'm just calling it like I see it, and that is certainly influenced by my personal experiences and what not. Apologies for anywhere I stepped over the line, or as the case may be, gave an accurate reality check.

That bit about rape is pretty spot on, even in most of the scenarios that spoon mentions there are pretty obvious examples of why laws like that need to be there for the womens protection.

The problem with them though is that, it gets to the point where women can just start abusing it to ruin peoples lives and we all know women are mental bitches that do that type of thing. (Tiny minorities obviously)

[d0zer]

Yeah my argument about women having it better than men in poor countries is kind of specious considering how terrible women have it in the middle east and india and other places. The point I was trying to make, to put it respectfully, is that women have default inherent economic value that men don't have.

This "inherent economic value" is only proportional to their attractiveness, so it's hard to generalize that argument to the entire female population.

[Renton]

This "inherent economic value" is only proportional to their attractiveness, so it's hard to generalize that argument to the entire female population.

dunno i think almost every woman is attractive to someone. And the analog for men doesn't really exist. I mean I suppose if you are in the top 5%ile of male attractiveness you might get some similar benefits as a man, but its certainly lessened due to our culture.

[Lukie]

dunno i think almost every woman is attractive to someone. And the analog for men doesn't really exist. I mean I suppose if you are in the top 5%ile of male attractiveness you might get some similar benefits as a man, but its certainly lessened due to our culture.

Due to the generally monogamous nature of cultures, and the fact that in most countries there are more women than men, I think most men can find someone who is desirable. This is especially the case if what you say is true, that almost every woman is attractive to someone but (implied) there are a lot of men who, in the eyes of women, are not attractive/desirable. I know which side of that I would rather be on

[Savy]

In most countries there are more women than men? Where'd you get that stat from?

[Lukie]

In most countries there are more women than men? Where'd you get that stat from?

It is a pretty complex topic. Typically the ratio of boys to girls at birth is about 1.05:1. As you go further along the spectrum that tends to shift and by later age groups, women invariably outnumber men. It's probably completely inconsequential for our purposes, and in some countries in the age group that is relevant for this discussion men might still outnumber women.

I admit that it's not a topic I'm really an expert on, but by all means, here is some good introductory reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_sex_ratio

[Savy]

I'm aware of that, but if we are taking about peoples looks helping them in life then we can't really allow the slight sway of women outliving men once they both get to around 70 making any real difference in this argument.

Even if we take into account the fact that males are more likely to die around their younger years, that's probably going to be negligible as more men are born compared to women (could be complete bullshit as I don't know the stats at all)

[Lukie]

My whole point is much broader than physical attraction and 'who wants who.' Life doesn't end at 50 and old widowed people often have it very tough. That seems fair to say, and if you have an honest look at whether or not men or women tend to have it better, that is also a fair point to make.

You're right that I probably shouldn't have included it in the finding a mate part. It doesn't really change my other points though to be honest.

Either way, and I have said this many times in the past, there are more desirable women out there than desirable men.

Maybe we can post pictures of douchebags with hot women to drive home the point better than my misguided comment about ratio of men to women.